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No Palestine nation when The State of Israel was established in 1948

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Another Lazarus, Dec 26, 2017.

  1. Another Lazarus

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    And no moeslem protests for Jerusalem when the Turkey Ottoman kings occupied it for 400 years.
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    Children follow their parents wherever they are taken, as did Noah's children, as did Sodom's.
    Tears for their fate.
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    The Hebrew owned Jerusalem since the time of King David, the tomb of David in Jerusalem is an undeniable historical evidence for their legacy.
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    So why are they actually against the Israel's Jerusalem ?
     
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  2. Radagast

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    Possibly because, in 1947, the UN decided that Palestine would be divided into a Jewish and a non-Jewish section, with Jerusalem under international control (because it had a mixed population).

    Instead, Jewish armed militia forces instead occupied huge amounts of land belonging to Christian and Muslim Palestinians (bear in mind that the Christian Palestinians are of ethnic Jewish origin and lived quite happily in Palestine for 1900 years, until their land was stolen, and that Jerusalem was a Christian city for centuries).

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  3. Another Lazarus

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    Who Are The Palestinians? | My Jewish Learning

    • that the Arabs of Palestine have no language, religion or general culture that distinguishes them significantly from the Arabs of Jordan, Syria (where some factions still claim Palestine as part of “Greater Syria”) or other neighboring Arab states;

    • that especially before the 20th century, traditional Palestinian society was semi‑feudal in its structure and organized around loyalties to locality and tribe, not nation;

    • that the Arabs of Palestine never exercised national sovereignity in the country in which they lived;

    • that a pattern of Arab emigration from Palestine, a land often described by Western travelers in the 18th and 19th centuries as “desolate” and “empty,” was reversed, especially after World War I, not by nationalist feeling but by the employment opportunities and improved quality of life that accompanied Zionist immigration and land development;

    • that the word Filastin, as the country is called in Arabic, is not Palestinian‑Arab in origin (the Arabs of the region rarely used it before 1948) but refers to the biblical “Philistines,” whose name the ancient Romans gave to the country in an attempt to obliterate the Jews’ connection to it;

    • that even UN Security Council Resolution 242, which in 1967 called upon Israel to return “territories” it had conquered in the Six‑Day War, referred only to “refugees” without mentioning the Palestinians as a separate national entity.

    In other words, it can be argued that “Palestinian” identity is a shallow political veneer that developed in response to Zionism, that it serves today as a hostile tool kept sharpened for use against Israel, and that Palestinian Arab culture is, at most, a “dialect” of a larger Arab culture.
     
  4. tulc

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    hmmmm...a website that says:
    and they don't think Palestinians are "really Palestinians"? Color me shocked. Been here:
    History of the Palestinians - Wikipedia
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    tulc(is just sayn') :sorry:
     
  5. pat34lee

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    Most so-called Palestinians are children of migrant workers
    from neighboring countries who moved to Israel in the late
    1800's and early 1900's, when the Jews began moving back,
    draining the swamps, irrigating the deserts and rebuilding
    cities. Why? Because there was work available.

    If Palestinian means only where they live, I could agree with
    the term. I'm a Floridian, but the state doesn't owe me any
    more than it owes any citizen. And Israel owes them nothing
    unless they become citizens of the country instead of being
    nothing more than terrorists.
     
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  6. tulc

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    ...so they've lived there for about what, 150+ years at least? It sounds like they've been there longer then Israel has been a nation, doesn't that mean they have a stronger claim to the land then Israel does?
    tulc(is just wondering) :wave:
     
  7. Another Lazarus

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    The Hebrew enter the land of Canaan with Joshua around 1500 BC, yes there were already gentile tribes there but OUR God has given them the land, hasnt HE ?
     
  8. Another Lazarus

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    They were previously nomaden tribe and didnt fight for the liberty of Jerusalem but against forced conscription.
     
  9. tulc

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    It wasn't God that gave them the land, it was the allies after WWII. :wave:
    tulc(and getting about $8,600,000 a day from the US hasn't hurt them very much either) :sorry:
     
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    Rubbish. They're the children of the people who lived in what's now Israel for centuries -- until the Jews kicked them out. This includes many Christians, who were there for almost 2,000 years.
     
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    Introduction......................................

    The Jews have always been religious people who lived with belief and trust in the Almighty. In their long history, they have gone through many different periods. There were times when they had their own land, sanctioned by the command of the Almighty. At other times, such as in the current era, they have been in exile.

    In the course of the two thousand years of this current exile, following the destruction of the Temple, Jews have remained faithful to the Almighty. Knowing that their exile was His will and His decree, they have always accepted it, and have not risen up to fight with other nations or dominate them. They have lived loyally under whatever governments they happened to live.

    The past century has seen the rise of the Zionist philosophy, which transforms Judaism from a religion to a nationalism, from spirituality to materialism. (The word “Zion” was used by the prophets as a name for Jerusalem. The secular nationalists borrowed the name for their movement, whose goal was to take over Jerusalem.) The Zionists convinced a segment of world Jewry to leave behind their faith in the Almighty, not to trust in His security, and to take matters into their own hands. They forced their way out of exile and built a “Jewish” state. This act in itself was a severe violation of the Torah, which forbids Jews to found their own state before the coming of the messiah.

    The act is doubly sinful when we consider that they founded their state in the land already inhabited by the Palestinian people. They cruelly expelled, murdered and persecuted the Palestinians, and stole their land – all terrible crimes in the eyes of the Torah.

    Zionism, starting from its founding day in the year 1897, aroused sharp condemnation from all the Rabbis, both in Palestine and around the world. All of religious Jewry was united in its opposition to this dangerous new movement, and fought it fiercely. The result was that Zionism took hold almost exclusively among non-religious Jews. And were it not for the tremendous downfall of Jewry in the Second World War, Zionism could never have conquered any part of religious Jewry. In the War, which preceded the establishment of the Zionist state by only a few years, the Jewish people was torn to pieces and lost almost all its greatest Rabbinical leaders. Many Jews lost their faith and felt defenseless and vulnerable, and they were taken in by the Zionists‟ promises to “defend the Jewish people.”

    In this publication, we bring some excerpts from words of the Rabbis of past and present generations on Zionism. These are the Rabbis, giants of Judaism, by whose light religious Jews walk to this day. As the reader will see, they were totally opposed to the ideology of Zionism, the existence of the State of “Israel”, the Zionists and all of their acts.

    We must note that many of the rabbis quoted here lived before the founding of the Zionist state, and although the Zionists even then had a long record of cruelty and

    brutality to the Palestinians, their intentions and actions were not widely known. In fact, the Zionists took care to present themselves as a movement to purchase land and settle in Palestine, not as a movement to make wars with other peoples and displace them. Therefore, the rabbis of that period focused their opposition on the Zionists‟ violations of the Torah and their rebellion against the Almighty‟s decree of exile.

    Even in the period after 1948, the Zionists‟ crimes against the indigenous people of Palestine received almost no coverage in the international media and thus most of the Rabbis did not know about them. In the State of “Israel” itself, the Zionists understandably did not want to arouse public opinion and therefore their media, for many years, did not report on the plight of the Palestinian people; they forcibly blacked out any coverage of their own atrocities. It has only been in the last two or three decades, starting approximately with the Lebanon War of 1982, that the Western world has gained an awareness of these issues. This awareness is reflected in the words of the Rabbis of the most recent period.

    Source: The Rabbis Speak Out
     
  12. Another Lazarus

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    Speaking about crimes You need to restudy the history that one day after Ben Gurion declared Israel's independence, the army of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria started attacking Israel.


    its those Arabs keep attacking Israel
    from time to time, Russia provoking Egypt.



    Fedayeen attacked and killed civilian villages in Israel from time to time
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    Why should Muslims protest a Muslim kingdom?
     
  14. pat34lee

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    How long do you have to lease an apartment before you own it?
    The Turks owned the land, not the migrants.
    Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia

    Anyway, ever hear of eminent domain or expulsion of undesirables?
    Fast solution to the Palestinian dilemma. Claim the land and boot them.
    Let them sue to be compensated.
     
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  15. Creech

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    There is certainly enough evidence to conclude that Palestinians are a Levantine group that has roots in the region dating back thousands of years, sharing a cultural and ethnic similarity to Syrian and Lebanese ethnicities, among others. While I guess it's sorta true to say Palestinians as a specific national group is a recent phenomena, the actual culture and ethnic background of Palestinians is very real, and far more real than the roots most Jewish Israelies have in the region.
     
  16. Another Lazarus

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    The God who created the universe has given the land to them.
    Genesis 35:12 The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendants after you."
     
  17. Creech

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    Even if one is to accept this very recently developed and minority-held theological position, I don't think the Israeli state is a good stewards of the land, as it proceeds to ethnically cleanse an ancient people of their traditional homes, many of whom are followers of Jesus as well as Muslims.
     
  18. Another Lazarus

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    They'd better believe the God of Abraham and leave the land of Israel for their goodness.
     
  19. Creech

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    I do not believe the word of God can be used to justify sin and ethnic cleansing. Not by a long shot.
     
  20. Another Lazarus

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    What will you do if people come to ambush your house and try to kill your whole family so as to own your house ? Wouldnt you fight back those robbers ?

    The Hebrew need to defend their land from the ROBBERS.

    There are still many lands on earth, honour God's covenant with Israel for your goodness.

    Zehariah 12:3 "It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.
     
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