No, Obamacare Has Not Saved American Lives

[Desk trauma]

That's quite a leap, nevertheless.

How about if we're all presumed innocent of "conspiracy" anything unless we are convicted of such "conspiracy"?

Wild claims are reliable until proven otherwise?

 

[archer75]

and........

So it's rendered "conspiracy"?

Seriously?

Does this mean that you think that an internet post that mentions a recording he downloaded that is purported to be someone's recollections, made over a quarter of a century ago, of that person's memories of a meeting attended 20 years before that, with no other evidence that any of this ever occurred at all is a reasonable thing to take into consideration?

No offense to the poster of this info, but we have very little to go on.

 

[brinny]

How do you understand "conspiracy" here?

What comes to mind for me, is:

paranoid.

 

[brinny]

Wild claims are reliable until proven otherwise?

The notion of "wild claims" is baseless and therefore, one tends to wonder why it was even stated.

 

[brinny]

Does this mean that you think that an internet post that mentions a recording he downloaded that is purported to be someone's recollections, made over a quarter of a century ago, of that person's memories of a meeting attended 20 years before that, with no other evidence that any of this ever occurred at all is a reasonable thing to take into consideration?

No offense to the poster of this info, but we have very little to go on.

I'd be interested to hear more of the account, since as of this writing, it's something i'd like to explore further.

I find it odd, that based on a Part 1, so to speak, of someone's personal account, that any such "conclusions" should be drawn from what was posted, without hearing/reading the rest of the story.

 

[archer75]

I'd be interested to hear more of the account, since as of this writing, it's something i'd like to explore further.

I find it odd, that based on a Part 1, so to speak, of someone's personal account, that any such "conclusions" should be drawn from what was posted, without hearing/reading the rest of the story.

That's fair, and I might be interested, too. I don't go near torrent stuff though, because of the legal issues involved. If the audio ends up elsewhere, I'd happily check it out.

That said, the person making the claims usually has to provide proof. That something is mildly intriguing (although I seriously doubt it is as was claimed) doesn't make the skeptic responsible to "leave no stone unturned" in seeking proof or even a shred of evidence.

 

[brinny]

That's fair, and I might be interested, too. I don't go near torrent stuff though, because of the legal issues involved. If the audio ends up elsewhere, I'd happily check it out.

That said, the person making the claims usually has to provide proof. That something is mildly intriguing (although I seriously doubt it is as was claimed) doesn't make the skeptic responsible to "leave no stone unturned" in seeking proof or even a shred of evidence.

I agree. And i have no reason to believe that simply because there was not a complete account right then and there, that it was conspiratorial.

That's quite a leap, and i gotta admit when i see "conspiracy" branded like a "stamp" without merit, it becomes more curious than the subject at hand.

 

[archer75]

I agree. And i have no reason to believe that simply because there was not a complete account right then and there, that it was conspiratorial.

That's quite a leap, and i gotta admit when i see "conspiracy" branded like a "stamp" without merit, it becomes more curious than the subject at hand.

Although to be fair -- it is a claim ABOUT a conspiracy in the most basic sense.

 

[brinny]

Although to be fair -- it is a claim ABOUT a conspiracy in the most basic sense.

Not really.

The fact that "conspiracy" entered into it at all is what is an odd twist and deflection in and of itself.

 

[archer75]

Not really.

The fact that "conspiracy" entered into it at all is what is an odd twist and deflection in and of itself.

When there's a "global cabal" having a secret meeting...that's a conspiracy right there. They are conspiring.

 

[brinny]

When there's a "global cabal" having a secret meeting...that's a conspiracy right there. They are conspiring.

If so, no wonder there was concern.

 

[super animator]

That's why it's called a "Conspiracy theory"...........

 

[archer75]

Well, if anyone finds a non-torrent source for this recording, please post it.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Not really.

The fact that "conspiracy" entered into it at all is what is an odd twist and deflection in and of itself.

What would you call a secret plan where people conspire towards a specific, malevolent outcome?

Isn't there a word for that?

 

[LinguaIgnota]

Well, if anyone finds a non-torrent source for this recording, please post it.

I'd rather not listen to what is either a delusional man or a fraud spout paranoid nonsense for four hours; but I suppose this is the recording in question:

 

[archer75]

I'd rather not listen to what is either a delusional man or a fraud spout paranoid nonsense for four hours; but I suppose this is the recording in question:

Hey, thanks. I'm willing to check it out sometime. Let's listen (anyone who wants to) and report back, since in the end it does relate to the topic.

 

[Nithavela]

"A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy without warrant, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors." - Wikipedia

In this case, the word 'conspiracy' comes up because the post openly refers to a 'global cabal' (i.e. - powerful actors) who, it is claimed, were involved in illegal and harmful acts -- after all, one of their goals is said to be 'elimination of the population'. This is, by definition, a conspiracy theory.

That doesn't absolutely and forever mean it's not true. BUT that the only piece of evidence offered is a recording found on torrent does not make it look very strong. Further, what is this "theory" explaining? If this powerful global cabal is planning to eliminate the population, why do people live longer these days, at least in the West? It has been nearly half a century since the alleged meeting at which the recording was made. Is the global cabal so bad at their job that despite their power and secrecy, their efforts have failed to reduce the population or reduce life expectancy?

Don't you know? The words "conspiracy theory" are memes that are drilled into people to make them reject an idea once it is associated with it, no matter the rationality or evidence.

I think the programming was done by the free masons, the lizard people or the illuminaughty.

 

[tulc]

uhmmm...it saved my life and I'm an American.
tulc(so...there's that)

 

[AlexDTX]

Become of the absurd claims he posted.

I make no claims. Only stating what was said in the recording. The globalists have made the word "conspiracy" to connote lunacy and wild speculation. The truth is, all history is replete with conspiracy. Julius Caesar was assassinated by a conspiracy. Corporations and banks conspire all the time to take over other companies. I used to bank with Wachovia, but Wells Fargo conspired for a hostile take over. But the easy thing is to simply proclaim it is a conspiracy theory, therefore false and foolish. The fools are those who take that position. When you put your head in the sand your fanny is exposed.

 

[NightHawkeye]

uhmmm...it saved my life and I'm an American.
tulc(so...there's that)

Was that because Mrs tulc was threatening you?

[NHE is always curious ... ]