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NO MORE PREACHING ON HELL

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kind of a distinction without a difference since separation from God is the absence of His mercies and common graces which results in unadulterated wrath and destruction.

No there is a difference. There is physical, psychological, and spiritual torments.

You are looking at it in reverse. Your response applies if I had said destruction was worse than separation. destruction is redundant to mentioning separation not the other way around.

Remember that Jesus was separated from the father for a time.

Separation is not talking about mercies and common graces. It is talking about his presence. Maybe I can't explain it, maybe you can't comprehend it... But, even while the sun is destroying everything you own, and yourself, it is still preferable to sit in its light than in the pitch-black absence of the sun.
To live without the sun would lead to despair and depression.
 
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I understand what you are saying truly I do. I suppose I should've named the thread, NOBODY MENTIONS HELL ANYMORE , OR IS THERE A HELL ANYMORE idk.....maybe I worded it wrong? :sorry:

I don't know what you mean? Isn't that all the same thing?
 
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I don't know what you mean? Isn't that all the same thing?
well kinda
But i think others here are thinking that Im saying that a whole sermon should be yelling and screaming about hell and thats not it, there not hearing me when I say the word "balance" in all things, and that this is never spoken of anymore, which should be only done by the leading of the H.S. if its His will, not the whole service, just never mentioned.
 
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No there is a difference. There is physical, psychological, and spiritual torments.

You are looking at it in reverse. Your response applies if I had said destruction was worse than separation. destruction is redundant to mentioning separation not the other way around.

Remember that Jesus was separated from the father for a time.

Separation is not talking about mercies and common graces. It is talking about his presence. Maybe I can't explain it, maybe you can't comprehend it... But, even while the sun is destroying everything you own, and yourself, it is still preferable to sit in its light than in the pitch-black absence of the sun.
To live without the sun would lead to despair and depression.
Yes and pile on the suffering and you have true torment. Suffering in eternal flame knowing you could be in the presence of God and be a partaker of his goodness and life in glory would be horrendous. The anguish of knowing you had a choice and scoffed at his salvation and in many cases mocked his son treating his name as a curse word and are now suffering for your pride and arrogance and utter rejection of Jesus would be awful. I can't imagine.
 
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Remember that Jesus was separated from the father for a time.

those who are saved will soon be separated from satan completely. the question is what are the implications of that separation?

someone can be separated from their brother and it be of no consequence. to be separate from something means you are no longer with that person or thing. it's the implications of the separation that are the issue. the wrath and destruction of a separation from God are things that necessarily follow. God's presence means different things for different people. for the saved, its the relationship and fellowship with the Creator. for the unsaved, it is, in fact, the common graces in being able to live on a planet made by the God they rebel against everyday and be able to experience various pleasures and joys.
 
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Yes and pile on the suffering and you have true torment. Suffering in eternal flame knowing you could be in the presence of God and be a partaker of his goodness and life in glory would be horrendous. The anguish of knowing you had a choice and scoffed at his salvation and in many cases mocked his son treating his name as a curse word and are now suffering for your pride and arrogance and utter rejection of Jesus would be awful. I can't imagine.
AMEN!
 
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They are not misunderstood references to "other gospels." They are real references in the Bible.

In Galatians 1:6-8 (KJV) Paul writes
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

These other preachers taught "another gospel" which Paul calls a perversion and therefore not really a gospel at all. But it was presented to the Galations as "gospel."

Later in the same letter he writes (Galatians 5:11 (RSV)) ... "But if I, brethren, still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted?" He is refering to an earlier period in his life when he preached the gospel that many of the apostles (especially James) preached - that the gospel required gentile males to be circumsised and become jews. Paul seems to have required Timothy to be circumcised, but he had understood that God's grace did not require circumcision by the time Titus became a believer. He had to battle hard to get this accepted by the elders in Jerusalem, but eventually did. It was partly through this process, that Christianity moved from being a jewish sect to becoming a distinct faith. But for many years the gospel preached out of Jerusalem included the necessity of circumcision. Note also in early Acts, that the disciples continued going to the temple to worship and teach.

If you read Peter's Pentecost message you will see that he retained his very Jewish idea of the Messiah. The crucifixion was from their perspective something that shouldn't have happened, and which had to be corrected by God in the resurrection. Furthermore, they believed Jesus was returning soon (certainly before the death of John) and so the message contains a warning and an implied threat: if you don't repent (of crucifying Jesus) you're facing his wrath when he returns (and that soon) to impose his rule. There is nothing here that sounds like "Jesus died for our sins," which Paul later preached and refered to as "my gospel."

Some of the disciples had been followers of John the baptist who preached confession and baptism for the forgiveness of sins. Later we read of Apollos, another follower of John the Baptist from Alexandria (Egypt), who apparently went abroad and preached what John taught, including John's view of Jesus. In Acts 18: 24-26 we find the account: "Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was an eloquent man, well versed in the scriptures (i.e. the OT). He had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John (i.e. nothing about the baptism of the spirit so he might even have missed the whole crucifixoin and resurrection because it was both immediately before and after that Jesus promised the spirit). He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aq′uila heard him, they took him and expounded to him the way of God more accurately." In other words he wasn't teaching and preaching accurately. (By the way did you know there are still followers of John the Baptist?)

You could say that Peter preached a Power or Crown gospel, very similar to "hell fire preaching" while Paul came to preach a Love or Cross Gospel. But that wasn't until he realised that the cross was not a mistake that God had to correct, but the whole point of Jesus coming - to die for our sins. Previously he had been preaching the messianic gospel based on the 'traditional' Jewish interpretation of the OT. When he got his vision (probably between Athens and Corinth) he was shaken to his Jewish core - and saw immediately that it would be "a stumbling block to the Jews" (who could not possibly accept that their Messiah could/would be crucified by gentiles) and "foolishness to the gentiles" who would think it was idiocy that you could win by submitting, live by dying. This guy who up to that moment was fearless in face of stonings, whippings, mobs, and being run out of town by jealous religious leaders, or prepared to face that age's academia and cynics (at Athens) suddenly became totally silent for several days, until he was specifically told by the Lord not to be afraid ---"for I have many people in this city." Ultimately the other apostles came round to understand and accept this gospel, and that "you are saved by faith" not by works.

The New Testament shows a lot of the development of what we think of as the "gospel" today but it wasn't so from the beginning.

There are clear indications that there were divisions following the interpretations or personalities of different people:

1 Corinthians 1:11-13 (RSV)
For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apol′los,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Please someone review this post and please advise the confusion that there was only ONE GOSPEL preached

I'm not sure that they understand this
 
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Please someone review this post and please advise the confusion that there was only ONE GOSPEL preached

I'm not sure that they understand this
There is only ONE true gospel, beginning to end, Genesis to Revelation and no other book. May we all know the truth and the truth set us free, free indeed. :oldthumbsup:
 
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well kinda
But i think others here are thinking that Im saying that a whole sermon should be yelling and screaming about hell and thats not it, there not hearing me when I say the word "balance" in all things, and that this is never spoken of anymore, which should be only done by the leading of the H.S. if its His will, not the whole service, just never mentioned.

I can certainly see how your post (in all caps) appears to be saying
NO MORE PREACHING ON HELL
as in
STOP PREACHING ABOUT HELL,
like you are protesting there ;)
 
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Here lately I have wondered why I do not hear ANY sermons preached on hell. I grew up Pentecostal and all those years I would hear preaching on hell fire, repent and give your life to Christ. Many times I saw the Holy Spirit convict people during these sermons and they would practically run to the altar. It seems here lately and has been happening for years now that preachers no longer preach on this matter. Why has everything turned into a pretty package, tickle your ears service?? Why have we strayed away from this? The preacher used to pour out his heart to the congregation, pleading the case of Jesus to turn from the wickedness of this world for there is a heaven and there is a hell, choose today who you will serve, repent for the time is drawing near. What happened to this teaching and preaching, it seems it has all but vanished?

I think it is a good thing to preach on hell.

It is something I need to remind myself every day. I struggle with sin every day. And I have been failing. I need to remember I will reap what I sow.
 
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It is something I need to remind myself every day. I struggle with sin every day. And I have been failing. I need to remember I will reap what I sow.

Does this imply that it is fear of hell that motivates you rather than the love of God? If we live out of fear rather than love, our actions are not counted in our favour. (Isaiah 64:6 and I Cor. 13: 1-3)

God does not want us to live in fear, and it is only love that can defeat fear. Those who are in Christ reap what Christ sowed, not what we sowed, in terms of eternal life or death. What we reap on our own from what we sow is in the many consequences of our actions here and now and possibly in the failure to experience all the wonders of living abundantly with him here on earth. I doubt that God is pleased if we continue to rely on fear to "toe the line."
 
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There is only ONE true gospel, beginning to end, Genesis to Revelation and no other book. May we all know the truth and the truth set us free, free indeed. :oldthumbsup:
Do you agree with Mona's post?
 
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Please be careful reading what I wrote. I did not write that there is more than one gospel. I wrote that the writers of the New Testament, notably Paul, refer to "gospels" (in the plural) that were preached, and when you study Acts, you see that were were significant differences in the specific messages that were being preached. Paul indicates directly that in one aspect he changed his message (concerning circumcision as a requirement for acceptance into Christ's kingdom).
And if you listen closely to different denominations today, you will also notice differences in the "good news" they preach.
 
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Please be careful reading what I wrote. I did not write that there is more than one gospel. I wrote that the writers of the New Testament, notably Paul, refer to "gospels" (in the plural) that were preached, and when you study Acts, you see that were were significant differences in the specific messages that were being preached. Paul indicates directly that in one aspect he changed his message (concerning circumcision as a requirement for acceptance into Christ's kingdom).
And if you listen closely to different denominations today, you will also notice differences in the "good news" they preach.
And I'm saying there is only ONE GOSPEL and they all preached ONE GOSPEL

You don't understand something it is you who isn't understanding

Paul Peter James John Luke mark Matthew
All preached and pointed to CHRIST as THE FOUNDATION and THE ONLY FOUNDATION by which we are saved
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you a plea to not be rude or arrogant in your speech. The way we talk and act is what we are suppose to represent as Christlike. I have found since being on CF that most people just want to be heard, for someone to "listen". By listening not only to others but most important to the Holy Spirit, we can learn great things. If you feel that you have presented your case well (as lead by the H.S.) then by all means once you have done so, why not pray and ask God to reveal the truth. The H.S. is a much better representative then we ever could be. The bible says that the Holy Spirit teaches us all things. Not some things, all things.

Every person is on a different level in their spiritual walk with Christ. You never know who you are talking to and what they may be going through. Present yourself as Christ would present himself. Just as this thread is speaking and discussing "hell", some feel this is a harsh subject and there is no need of speaking of it, why? because hell is a terrible place and we have been saved from going there, "IF" we are living as Christ called us to live.

Be careful who you throw stones at, you may be doing more harm than good. If we all stop along the way in our walk with Christ to pick up every stone we see, we will never make it to our destination. My peace I give unto you, not as the world gives. They will know our good works by our deeds. Guard your tongue for it is unruly and 2 edged. May we all be like our Lord and cause others to see His goodness.

Blessings in Jesus name .......
 
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I present 1 Corinthians 1 through 1 Corinthians 3
And the truth that not only does the man know his own spirit but GOD does as well

Which is why no man can judge the spirit of another man and is to leave all that to GOD who knows the hidden agenda of the heart and the mind of all men
 
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Because it's politically incorrect, and with many churches adopting a secular world view, warping Scripture to make SSM and abortion OK, and to be soft, pleasant, snowflakes by misunderstanding (probably intentionally), "Who I am to judge?" (ignoring the fact that Paul speaks about judging those inside the Church), the truth about Hell and its reality becomes uncomfortable and difficult to hear because then they have to confront their errors.
 
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Because it's politically incorrect, and with many churches adopting a secular world view, warping Scripture to make SSM and abortion OK, and to be soft, pleasant, snowflakes by misunderstanding (probably intentionally), "Who I am to judge?" (ignoring the fact that Paul speaks about judging those inside the Church), the truth about Hell and its reality becomes uncomfortable and difficult to hear because then they have to confront their errors.
The same applies to offering other "gospels"
 
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The same applies to offering other "gospels"
Sweetheart honestly...... dont you get it?? You really are the one that is picking things apart in itsy bitsy peices......WHY?????

THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IS JUST THAT SIMPLE.......PLEASE QUIT COMPLICATING IT.

You are not hearing people, and why that is, I do not understand. Honey, nobody is trying to argue with you. What is wrong??? Please just go ahead and let your feelings and frustrations out, because you have become very confusing to understand. Nobody is here to argue and fuss. Im just not understanding why you keep returning to seemingly argue......please make me understand why? Nobody is denying that what you are saying is true. Please just go ahead and clear the air if you will.....please !!!?????

Please ma'am just tell us what is bugging you so bad....... we are listening to you. Please we have nothing but respect for your opinion, we are listening and please tell us what you feel and we dont understand.
 
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