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No common ancestor between man and ape has been found.

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Didn't I just show you I did? Logical deduction is not proof, it's assumption....who's logic? That leaves room for anything, true to absurd.

So, now you are agreeing science offers proof?
I always have agreed with you that science offers "proof" in the colloquial sense (see Webster's) that you like to use the term. The argument is about whether scientists also have a more specialised meaning of the term, a fact which you appear to deny.

But if logical deduction does not offer "proof" what did you call the result of logical deduction in your geometry class? Did you not "prove" theorems?
 
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I always have agreed with you that science offers "proof" in the colloquial sense (see Webster's) that you like to use the term. The argument is about whether scientists also have a more specialised meaning of the term, a fact which you appear to deny.

But if logical deduction does not offer "proof" what did you call the result of logical deduction in your geometry class? Did you not "prove" theorems?

Didn't take geometry.

Then you disagree, and logical deduction does provide proof, and it doesn't depend on opinions/assumptions?
 
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Didn't take geometry.

Then you disagree, and logical deduction does provide proof, and it doesn't depend on opinions/assumptions?
It depends on the starting assumptions (which is what I was calling axioms) certainly. The thing about deductive logic, is that if the starting assumptions are true, then the logical conclusions from them must also be true. The conclusion is said to have been proven from the axioms.
The inductive logic of science works differently. In science, a conclusion is "proven" (confirmed) by the accumulation of supporting evidence and the absence, so far, of contrary evidence.
 
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I already did. You claimed that "ancient" humans and apes intermingled.
And then, when I questioned it, you claimed they didn't.

Let's remind you of your own claims:


And later on, you claimed that we don't descend from human/ape hybrids.
You can't have it both ways.

If we share "similar genetic material" as a result of their intermingling then that by definition means that that "shared genetic material" has been past down to off spring BY the "human/ape hybrids". You do know how reproduction works, right? You do know that a child gets its DNA from mommy and daddy, correct?



Or perhaps you express yourself in such terrible ways?
When nobody here understands what you are saying, then what is most likely? That none of us are "smart enough" to follow your trail of thought - or that you aren't expressing yourself particularly well?

Maybe you should think about that.




Then there also was no "intermingling" either.



No, actually.
First, because it is in conflict with what you claimed about "intermingling"
Second, because it is in conflict with the facts of reality...



You're not making any sense.



Uhu, uhu. So, in other words: magic. You invoke a "magical" explanation for a belief that isn't even based on the facts of reality.

It's bizar, to say the least.




Ok. Seems entirely random as a comment in context of this post. But okay.
Oh my goodness!

And you claim you’re out dogma hunting?


I think you put words into people’s mouths because you can’t really understand what they’re saying

I do not believe that we descended from nor do I believe we share a common ancestor with apes

I said by GOD’s GRACE no more viable offspring bearing those physical defective charactetistics remained.....viable


Yet the similar genetic material remains

That’s what I said

Ape was ape
And man was man.

Man didn’t become man through the ape
 
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According to the Smithsonian Institute, a common ancestor between apes and humans has never been found. Look at bottom right of image- "The last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees.... We do not yet have its remains."
If no evidence has been found, how do you know it actually existed?

Jesus did *not* evolve. And if he did not, neither did anyone else.

Lotsa lies in the world. Science rules out the supernatural, and only accepts the natural. But everything is supernatural -- it is the natural that does not really exist.
 
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Jesus did *not* evolve. And if he did not, neither did anyone else.

Lotsa lies in the world. Science rules out the supernatural, and only accepts the natural. But everything is supernatural -- it is the natural that does not really exist.
Jesus wasn't conceived from the ol whoohawonkboomspank either, doesn't mean everybody else wasn't. What a crazy line of thought.
 
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Jesus did *not* evolve. And if he did not, neither did anyone else.

Lotsa lies in the world. Science rules out the supernatural, and only accepts the natural. But everything is supernatural -- it is the natural that does not really exist.

Science describes physical reality, so when you deny science you deny physical reality. That is a not a battle you can win.
 
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Jesus did *not* evolve. And if he did not, neither did anyone else.
Science would agree with you there.
Lotsa lies in the world. Science rules out the supernatural,
That's one of those lies. Science does not rule out the supernatural, it ignores it.
 
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No he wasn’t.

Yes, he was. Read the posts. It's painfully obvious.

If he was a Christian physical appearances have nothing to do with what is meant by being created in GOD’s IMAGE

Ow, you're on thin ice there... Smells like implying that christians that disagree with you "aren't real christians".

I have no idea what you are saying

That's not surprising.
 
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Show me, and I do hope it's relative and in context, and not another waste of time.

I don't have the time or the energy to look it up. I'm just agreeing with Speedwell. I do remember distinctly you refering to bloodtypes stuff to make points about how "science proves things".

Pay attention, I said I already demonstrated it

You did not.

, and wasn't going to waste my time with his chosen way.

His "chosen way" is not some trivial arbitrary choice.... Instead, it is just the correct way of how one demonstrates things.

I'm very satisfied science does prove and I have backed my claim and made it as simple as possible for you all

And every time you did, we pointed out the flaws in your reasoning as well as your misunderstandings.

Which you consistently ignored or just rejected at face value.
I can't even count the amount of times that I had to explain to you how theories in science are never "proven" or considered "proven" - only ever supported by evidence.

IOW, "You have to go through the trouble to prove it my way or you lose",

Again, not "my way". But just "the correct way".

Then just prove them until they do change

That makes absolutely zero sense.
Something that is "proven", will not change - since it is proven true. As in: correct, certain, the Truth (capital 'T').

The "until they do change" means that what was considered "proof", wasn't "proof" at all, since it turned out incorrect.

See?

, and forget about the "might change" ploy

Intellectual honesty, prevents rational people to "forget about" that.


That's a crock and just and excuse to claim something is a fact but you don't have to prove it, because you cannot.

Theories aren't facts. Theories explain facts.

How bout this, for now, at least until things change, and you "reevaluate it" prove evolution. Prove it for the time being.

Again, this makes no sense.
Evidence supports theories.
Evidence doesn't prove theories.
Theories are never proven.

Because future evidence might force you to re-evaluate.

How many times must it be repeated, before it will sink in?

Theories that have no basis cannot be proven because they aren't provable

There's no such thing as a "theory without a basis".
A theory in science is a well tested, well supported hypothesis.
It is the graduation stage of a scientific hypothesis. Theories don't get "promoted" to fact or law or what-have-you.

Theory is the end of the line for any explanation in science.
And it will either hold up in light of new evidence or it won't.


I have a theory that if I put my hand in the fire, it will be burned

That's not a theory.
As I have also explained to you many times. Yet, here you are again... repeating the same nonsense that's been exposed as invalid many times over.

A theory is a well-tested, well-supported hypothesis which explains a set of facts and laws within a well-defined scope.

Your "fire burns hand" thing, is nothing like that.
I'm sorry that you can't seem to wrap your head around that.
But it is what it is.....

What you are presenting here is a complete joke and anyone that buys that nonsense excuse, deserves to believe the silly evolution the silly excuse protects.

The only "silly" thing here, is people like you continueing to repeat utter nonsense which has been exposed as such many times over.

Common sense? You mean the common sense that says science proves nothing when it is so simple to prove to the contrary....ooookay.

If you would actually understand, or take the time to learn, how science is actually done, it would prevent you from making such stupid statements. And, just to make it clear, I'm not calling YOU stupid. I'm calling your statement stupid.

Even geniuses can say stupid things ;-)

The common sense that doesn't allow enough common sense to just prove it for now, and let the chips fall where they may if things change?

There's no such thing as "just proving it for now".
Something is either proven, or it isn't. And if it is, then it results in factual certainty.
If it later turns out that it was wrong anyway, then it was never "proven".
 
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I have no clue what you mean, or how it addresses the genetic evidence for common descent.

That's not even English.
You have the genetic evidence, but dont have the proteins. Without the proteins(collagen) remains, your "genetic evidence" is just a wish.
 
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