Nicolaitions

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy whose adherents are called nicolaitans, nicolaitanes, or nicolaites. "Nico" means "conquer" in Greek, and "Laitan" refers to lay people, or laity; hence, the word may be taken to mean "Lay conquerors" or Conquerors of the Lay People


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What does it mean to conquer the lay people? And why is it called a Christian heresay?

COMPLETELY INCORRECT.

Deacon Nicolas was a deacon in The Church of Antioch. His sin involved passing his wife around in pagan sexual ritualistic fashion.

edit to add: Sorry I didn't read the thread first... but now you have it straight from The Church of Antioch.

Sorry to say... he was one of ours.

Forgive me...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

EO claims (or so I've been told) that their tradition says it was a person who had more than one wife. Perhaps that's what's meant by the 'unrestrained indulgences' of your post.

However, when there isn't a biblical reference then we must go to the Greek language for definition.
The Greek word is composed of two words, one meaning conquer or be victorious over and another meaning common people, secular people, or laity. Thus, it means conquering the common people, being victorious over the laity. Nicolaitans, then, must refer to a group of people who esteem themselves higher than common believers.
It can't be a Christian heresay if Rev 2:6 condemns it.

COMPLETELY INCORRECT.

Deacon Nicolas was a deacon in The Church of Antioch. His sin involved passing his wife around in pagan sexual ritualistic fashion.

Forgive me...

Well how did I know he was going to be an ancester of yourn

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Well how did I know he was going to be an ancester of yourn

You wouldn't know of course!

However I hate to see misinformation like that wiki article floating around.

It's just a modern attempt at a spin on his name to support the idea that there is not supposed to be an office of clergy.

You're up early... aren't you westcoast Canada? How's the weather?

Forgive me...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

You wouldn't know of course!

However I hate to see misinformation like that wiki article floating around.

It's just a modern attempt at a spin on his name to support the idea that there is not supposed to be an office of clergy.

You're up early... aren't you westcoast Canada? How's the weather?

Forgive me...

Well all I can say to that is

Jesus came to fulfill and also to destroy. Ceremonialism was to be abolished, and all the eternal laws of morality were to be all in all.
Human conscience was to be delivered from the burden of outward ordinances, that they may be free to serve the living God, by keeping the one royal law of love.

And it's the duty of the church to stand fast in the liberty Christ designed and purchased for her , being jealous of all human traditions out of holy zeal for the divine will; shunning superstitions on the one hand and licentious freedom from Godless liberalinism on the other.


You hold to traditions. A varience of belief systems.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Well all I can say to that is

Jesus came to fulfill and also to destroy. Ceremonialism was to be abolished, and all the eternal laws of morality were to be all in all.
Human conscience was to be delivered from the burden of outward ordinances, that they may be free to serve the living God, by keeping the one royal law of love.

And it's the duty of the church to stand fast in the liberty Christ designed and purchased for her , being jealous of all human traditions out of holy zeal for the divine will; shunning superstitions on the one hand and licentious freedom from Godless liberalinism on the other.


You hold to traditions. A varience of belief systems.

You seem to neglect the fact that Christ was a teacher in the Temple and that James, his older brother and he were Melkizedek Priests who offered the wheat, wine an oil.

Further that with the fact that St. James taught from the Temple for 30 plus years after Christ's death and incorperated Jewish ceremonialism into Christian worship.

I find your history lacking.... you are standing outside and throwing rocks at what you don't understand. (sorry for the sharp tongue.)

I challenge you to give me a scripture that directly states that Christ Jesus wanted us to abandon ceremony. The evidence stands against it.

Even Christ's last supper was a ceremonial meal.

Back to you.

Forgive me...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

You seem to neglect the fact that Christ was a teacher in the Temple and that James, his older brother and he were Melkizedek Priests who offered the wheat, wine an oil.

Further that with the fact that St. James taught from the Temple for 30 plus years after Christ's death and incorperated Jewish ceremonialism into Christian worship.

I find your history lacking.... you are standing outside and throwing rocks at what you don't understand. (sorry for the sharp tongue.)

I challenge you to give me a scripture that directly states that Christ Jesus wanted us to abandon ceremony. The evidence stands against it.

Even Christ's last supper was a ceremonial meal.

Back to you.

Forgive me...

And that, to me, is heresay. Prove from scripture He was a Melachezedec priest.

Every scriptural evidence places Him outside of the ruling class.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

And that, to me, is heresay. Prove from scripture He was a Melachezedec priest.

When was it proclaimed to be heresy?

Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.


Forgive me...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

When was it proclaimed to be heresy?

Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.


Forgive me...

That's not what your saying, tho. Malchezedek was outside the temple.

Heb 13:10
13:10 We have an altar that those who serve in the tabernacle have no right to eat from. 13:11 For the bodies of those animals whose blood the high priest brings into the sanctuary as an offering for sin are burned outside the camp. 13:12 Therefore, to sanctify the people by his own blood, Jesus also suffered outside the camp.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

That's not what your saying, tho. Malchezedek was outside the temple.

Heb 13:10
13:10 We have an altar that those who serve in the tabernacle have no right to eat from. 13:11 For the bodies of those animals whose blood the high priest brings into the sanctuary as an offering for sin are burned outside the camp. 13:12 Therefore, to sanctify the people by his own blood, Jesus also suffered outside the camp.

Malchezedek priests had their own area in the Temple... seperate from the rest of the Priesthood. They did not offer blood sacrafices... they offered the wheat wine and oil, themselves clothed in white linen.

Forgive me...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Malchezedek priests had their own area in the Temple... seperate from the rest of the Priesthood. They did not offer blood sacrafices... they offered the wheat wine and oil, themselves clothed in white linen.

Forgive me...

There is proof that Jesus was a carpenter, unschooled according to authorities, and a travelling preacher. I'm not going to argue outside of the bible because frankly I don't trust the motives of those who put traditions to paper.
I'm not argueing traditions with you.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I find your history lacking.... you are standing outside and throwing rocks at what you don't understand. (sorry for the sharp tongue.)

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Don't be sorry, you've chosen your beliefs. I chose the narrow way. If your beliefs have to be supported by human hands...well..I firmly believe Christ wasn't a priest in the temple.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

There is proof that Jesus was a carpenter, unschooled according to authorities, and a travelling preacher. I'm not going to argue outside of the bible because frankly I don't trust the motives of those who put traditions to paper.
I'm not argueing traditions with you.

I also stated that Christ's last supper was a ceremony. Interesting that it involved wheat wine and oil. Nor have you addressed that St. James taught from the Temple for 30 years and completed the Jewish worship services with the Eucharist.

Forgive me...

 

[Thekla]

Here's Paul on "traditions"

1 Co. 11:2

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I also stated that Christ's last supper was a ceremony. Interesting that it involved wheat wine and oil. Nor have you addressed that St. James taught from the Temple for 30 years and completed the Jewish worship services with the Eucharist.

Forgive me...

Where does it say it involved oil? If that was part of God's plan I hardly find it neccessary to demolish the temple.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Here's Paul on "traditions"

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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1 Co. 11:2

Yes, we know he said things according to 'as the law saith' However that then contradicts his whole message doesn't it?

 

[Thekla]

Yes, we know he said things according to 'as the law saith' However that then contradicts his whole message doesn't it?

I don't quite understand what you mean; could you describe more ?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Why would you believe me about Nicolas the heretic.

Do you really think that all the Ancient Church are wrong about public worship being ceremony? THEY ALL AGREE, EVERY ONE OF THEM. From Jerusalem to Rome...

These Churches are independant and all have their history to draw from... how is it that we can say something is false when all of them agree on a subject?

Forgive me...

 

[lighthouse_hope]

There is proof that Jesus was a carpenter, unschooled according to authorities, and a travelling preacher. I'm not going to argue outside of the bible because frankly I don't trust the motives of those who put traditions to paper.
I'm not argueing traditions with you.

There is proof that Jesus was God. God is not limited by ritual rules.

Are you willing to listen what he has to say? Or has he to be constrained by your rules?

 

[lighthouse_hope]

And the whole thing about the name is of little consequence. Do you remember St Nicholas? He is revered by the Orthodox church, and was a bishop, btw

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

My point exactly, reverence to santa.