New theory ..Daniel's 4th beast is not Rome but is yet to be revealed..

[dfw69]

Daniel’s 4th Beast Isn’t Rome – P2ALM

 

[dfw69]

Though the articles findings suggest the revival of the (king of the north) selucid empire and the (king of the south)Ptolemaic empire or the coming Arab empire as the 4th beast , I disagree

I'm thinking the 4th beast will be the rise of Judaism ( mystery babylon) and a false messianic age where the north kingdom being the return of the 10 tribes of Israel (10 kingdoms) and the king of the south ( Judah)

The Legs of iron yet to come is the kingdoms of Israel and Judah ruling over the entire world under a one world government and a new world order

And a new temple may pave the way to this coming terror.....

Any thoughts.....

 

[Douggg]

Though the articles findings suggest the revival of the (king of the north) selucid empire and the (king of the south)Ptolemaic empire or the coming Arab empire as the 4th beast , I disagree

I'm thinking the 4th beast will be the rise of Judaism ( mystery babylon) and a false messianic age where the north kingdom being the return of the 10 tribes of Israel (10 kingdoms) and the king of the south ( Judah)

The Legs of iron yet to come is the kingdoms of Israel and Judah ruling over the entire world under a one world government and a new world order

And a new temple may pave the way to this coming terror.....

Any thoughts.....

When the 69th week ended, the Roman Empire was in power, and the Jews in rejection of Jesus.

Then the gap... the counting stopped.

When the 70th week begins ... and the counting begins again - it picks up where it left off, the Roman Empire of the end times in place, the EU, and the Jews in rejection of Jesus.

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The kingdom of the little horn person - the EU. 7th of the 7 kings of Revelation 17:10.

The kingdom when the person becomes the beast - the EU. 8th king of Revelation 17:11.

 

[dfw69]

When the 69th week ended, the Roman Empire was in power, and the Jews in rejection of Jesus.

Then the gap... the counting stopped.

When the 70th week begins ... and the counting begins again - it picks up where it left off, the Roman Empire of the end times in place, the EU, and the Jews in rejection of Jesus.

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The kingdom of the little horn person - the EU 7th of the 7 kings of Revelation 17:10.

The kingdom when the person becomes the beast - the EU 8th king of Revelation 17:11.

Hello Doug...yes I know your doctrine and keep it on a shelf ... but try to keep an open mind to new things just in case Jesus does not return to earth in the near future but instead something else pops its ugly head up...

Check out the OP and see the points on why Rome is not the 4th beast

 

[Douggg]

The Legs of iron yet to come is the kingdoms of Israel and Judah ruling over the entire world under a one world government and a new world order

What is your bible prophecy of two kingdoms of Israel and Judah coming back out of the nations as two kingdoms?

What do you see over there?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel’s 4th Beast Isn’t Rome – P2ALM

You are right. It isn't Rome.

 

[TribulationSigns]

When the 69th week ended, the Roman Empire was in power, and the Jews in rejection of Jesus.

Then the gap... the counting stopped.

When the 70th week begins ... and the counting begins again - it picks up where it left off, the Roman Empire of the end times in place, the EU, and the Jews in rejection of Jesus.

The so-called 2,000-year gap theory is ridiculous unbiblical! There is NO biblical verse to support this nonsense!

1. The idea that the church was “not the subject of Old Testament prophecy” is rank heresy. The church was the Old Testament mystery revealed in the New Testament.

2. Prophetic time clocks cannot stop when dealing with time prophecies. It's like saying, in 12 hours the sun will turn blue. Then at the 11th hour, you stop the clock for 2000 years and start it again because of a guess based on some world event like Israel becoming a nation.

3. Physical Israel becoming a physical nation again is what is “not the subject of Old Testament prophecy”. Starting the clock again in 1948 AD is wild unfounded, unbiblical speculation.

4. There are four key time prophecies in the Bible that predicted the coming of the Kingdon in 33 A.D. on Pentecost. These prophecies are time sensitive and stopping the clock makes them fail:

a. Jesus said the time is fulfilled, the kingdom of God is at hand: Mk 1:15. You cannot extent this for 2000 years because it makes the time sensitive statement fail.​

b. Jesus said that his disciples would live to see the kingdom with their own eyes and before they died. The Kingdom of God that was prophesied in the Old Testament would be established. Please read Mark 9:1​

c. The 70 weeks of Daniel 9, although symbolic periods of time, are concurrent and sequential. To have 69 weeks representing about 550 years from the descree of Cyrus to the first coming of Christ, then insert a gap of 2000 years AND THEN the last week begins in 1948, 1967, 1994, 2012, etc. is absurd.​

 

[dfw69]

You are right. It isn't Rome.

Who do you think will fulfill the 4th beast prophecy?

 

[dfw69]

What is your bible prophecy of two kingdoms of Israel and Judah coming back out of the nations as two kingdoms?

What do you see over there?

Well I just believe that people in that circle want things to be so and they have the scriptures to prove they are the light of the world in their ideology

It seems to me to be going in that direction ...I can see its possibilities from scriptures

 

[dfw69]

The so-called 2,000-year gap theory is ridiculous unbiblical! There is NO biblical verse to support this nonsense!

1. The idea that the church was “not the subject of Old Testament prophecy” is rank heresy. The church was the Old Testament mystery revealed in the New Testament.

2. Prophetic time clocks cannot stop when dealing with time prophecies. It's like saying, in 12 hours the sun will turn blue. Then at the 11th hour, you stop the clock for 2000 years and start it again because of a guess based on some world event like Israel becoming a nation.

3. Physical Israel becoming a physical nation again is what is “not the subject of Old Testament prophecy”. Starting the clock again in 1948 AD is wild unfounded, unbiblical speculation.

4. There are four key time prophecies in the Bible that predicted the coming of the Kingdon in 33 A.D. on Pentecost. These prophecies are time sensitive and stopping the clock makes them fail:

a. Jesus said the time is fulfilled, the kingdom of God is at hand: Mk 1:15. You cannot extent this for 2000 years because it makes the time sensitive statement fail.​

b. Jesus said that his disciples would live to see the kingdom with their own eyes and before they died. The Kingdom of God that was prophesied in the Old Testament would be established. Please read Mark 9:1​

c. The 70 weeks of Daniel 9, although symbolic periods of time, are concurrent and sequential. To have 69 weeks representing about 550 years from the descree of Cyrus to the first coming of Christ, then insert a gap of 2000 years AND THEN the last week begins in 1948, 1967, 1994, 2012, etc. is absurd.​

Yes I understand ...I see your points ...

That would mean the entire prophecy of 490 years is yet to be fulfilled....

 

[Douggg]

The so-called 2,000-year gap theory is ridiculous unbiblical! There is NO biblical verse to support this nonsense!

You do not believe that the Jews were scattered throughout the world because they rejected Jesus as the messiah? And that Israel became a nation again in 1948?

 

[dfw69]

You do not believe that the Jews were scattered throughout the world because they rejected Jesus as the messiah? And that Israel became a nation again in 1948?

I believe the Jews were scattered because they rose up against Roman authority and Rome attacked to punish Israel ....not because of their rejection of Jesus ....it was a provoke against Rome ...plus other political issues I'm sure

Yes I believe Israel became a nation in 1948 but I also believe Israel was always a nation

 

[dfw69]

You are right. It isn't Rome.

The article isn't mine copy and paste ...jsyk

 

[Douggg]

I believe the Jews were scattered because they rose up against Roman authority and Rome attacked to punish Israel ....not because of their rejection of Jesus ....it was a provoke against Rome ...plus other political issues I'm sure

Had they embraced Jesus as the messiah - would the Romans continue to be able to occupy Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

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Following Jesus destroying the armies at Armageddon...

Ezekiel 39:
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

 

[dfw69]

Had they embraced Jesus as the messiah - would the Romans continue to be able to occupy Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

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Following Jesus destroying the armies at Armageddon...

Ezekiel 39:
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

I believe Jesus had to die to save the entire world that was the original plan because god knew they would reject him


But had they received him they would have obeyed him and follow his teaching ...he taught to obey Caesar authority in taxing ...he taught to love enemies ...he taught to forgive and have mercy . ....and in doing so most likely Rome would not have attacked ....

Jesus as god on the flesh would have used wisdom to bring peace on the world and his power to perform miracles would have drawn all nations to himself ...

 

[keras]

I believe Jesus had to die to save the entire world that was the original plan because god knew they would reject him

All that has happened, in a spiritual way; is God's Plan. Jesus was made ready since the beginning of the world.

Re the Fourth beast: Daniel 7:23-24. Plainly; this king, who is different from other kings and will rule the whole world, with 10 Governors under him, is the same one referred to in Revelation 17:11-12 and is the leader of the One World Government. The

Anti-Christ. ​

 

[Douggg]

Re the Fourth beast: Daniel 7:23-24. Plainly; this king, who is different from other kings and will rule the whole world, with 10 Governors under him, is the same one referred to in Revelation 17:11-12 and is the leader of the One World Government. The

Anti-Christ. ​

The person will be....

Little horn - King of the fourth empire, Roman Empire, the EU, right before the seven years.
Anti-Christ - King of Israel illegitimate, first part of the 7 years, confirms Mt. Sinai covenant.
Revealed man of sin - when he betrays his fellow Jews, transgresses the covenant.
Beast - King of the fourth empire, Roman Empire, the EU, second part of the 7 years.

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The Antichrist is Anti - Christ, the King of Israel. He has to be anointed the King of Israel to become the Antichrist. Jesus the true Christ is the rightful King of Israel.

As a parallel example... To be the president of the United States, a person has to fill that office. Then, if he does something really bad, not in keeping with the constitution - he gets impeached and is no longer the president.

In similitude, when the Antichrist, (not sent by God), King of Israel person goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God, that's something really bad, not in keeping with the Mt. Sinai covenant - he gets impeached by the Jews and is no longer the King of Israel. But instead he is the revealed man of sin. Because he does that great sin.

And it is as the revealed man of sin, that God has him killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10.

When God has him killed - in Revelation 13, he is this guy in blue...

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Then, in Isaiah 14:19-20, when God brings him back to life, kicked out of the grave - he is this guy in red....

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

becoming this guy in brown....

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[dfw69]

All that has happened, in a spiritual way; is God's Plan. Jesus was made ready since the beginning of the world.

Hello keras...yes I agree

Re the Fourth beast: Daniel 7:23-24. Plainly; this king, who is different from other kings and will rule the whole world, with 10 Governors under him, is the same one referred to in Revelation 17:11-12 and is the leader of the One World Government. The

Anti-Christ. ​

I read that the 4th kingdom comes first....and is represented by 2 legs of iron...which imo has not yet appeared ....the 2 legs of iron are 2 aspects of this kingdom ...which will emerge 10 kingdoms I believe to be the 10 tribes of Israel ....

The 10 kingdoms will then come after that or because of that beast ... They are formed before the final kingdom or little horn emerges...

Then the little horn will arise who will will wage war with 3 kingdoms ...the kingdom of the south ...or that it may be that the king of the south will be compose of 3 kingdoms

Example role play...

The woman known as mystery: "Babylon the great" is Judaism which is an ideology riding the beast which is a kingdom or many kingdom's throughout history since the beginning of the first kingdom....

The emergence of the 4th beast which is Israel 10 tribes kingdoms of the north and Judah benjamin Levi tribe kingdoms of the south will war ...a civil war with the antichrist reigning over the 10 kingdoms of the north waring with the south kingdoms of Judah

First 5 heads
Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Medo Persia
Greece. 5 heads fallen

One is Rome 6th head in John's day

7th head is unknown ....this is also the 4th beast Daniel described ...a beast with 10 kingdoms

8th beast little horn ...final kingdom

 

[dfw69]

The person will be....

Little horn - King of the fourth empire, Roman Empire, the EU, right before the seven years.
Anti-Christ - King of Israel illegitimate, first part of the 7 years, confirms Mt. Sinai covenant.
Revealed man of sin - when he betrays his fellow Jews, transgresses the covenant.
Beast - King of the fourth empire, Roman Empire, the EU, second part of the 7 years.

The Roman empire doesn't exist anymore...the 4th kingdom will be a power that will seek to form the 10 kingdoms of the tribes of Israel ....who will rule with a iron rod

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The Antichrist is Anti - Christ, the King of Israel. He has to be anointed the King of Israel to become the Antichrist. Jesus the true Christ is the rightful King of Israel.

The anti Christ will be king over the 10 tribes of Israel a messiah Ben Joseph type fellow....who will seek to wage war against the king of the south which is Judah

when the Antichrist, (not send by God), King of Israel person goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God, that's something really bad, not in keeping with the Mt. Sinai covenant - he gets impeached by the Jews and is no longer the King of Israel. But instead he is the revealed man of sin. Because he does that great sin.

And it is as the revealed man of sin, that God has him killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10.

Yes he will seek to be God of Israel and seek to sit on the temple and set up an idol of his image in the temple for everyone to worship...that will be a sure sign.....but he will not be killed or die until Jesus comes to destroy him

When God has him killed - in Revelation 13, he is this guy in blue...

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Doug ...it says one of his heads is killed. ...one of the 7 heads ...it is a head that is killed ....and revived....the 7 heads are kingdoms and there are 7 kingdoms ....it is a kingdom that will be revived because of him...

Then, in Isaiah 14:19-20, when God brings him back to life, kicked out of the grave - he is this guy in red....

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

becoming this guy in brown....

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

One of the 7 heads will be revived

Could be Assyria because he is called the assurian.
Could be Babylon because he is called king of Babylon etc....who knows

 

[Douggg]

Doug ...it says one of his heads is killed. ...one of the 7 heads ...it is a head that is killed ....and revived....the 7 heads are kingdoms and there are 7 kingdoms ....it is a kingdom that will be revived because of him.

The text says kings....

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

King #7 - the little horn person
King #8 - same person, continuing the short space of 42 months.