New Louisiana inappropriate content law... A needed safeguard? Or ineffective measure that will create more problems than it solves?

[2PhiloVoid]

If that includes taking the evidence around Jesus seriously, I am good with that. If you want to accept Jesus-based rules for yourself and other Jesus-believers, that is fine with me. As for the rest of us and the law consent will do fine, thank you.

Understood. And if it wasn't clear, I was inferring awkward conversations that would take place around one's church or family, not the general public.

 

[NxNW]

Children need to be protected, even from their own parents in certain instances.

When parents are indoctrinating them with religion, for example.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

When parents are indoctrinating them with religion, for example.

You can spare the troll-talk and just have a conversation with us, can't you?

Or is the freedom to have access to inappropriate content too all important to you to do so?

 

[Nithavela]

If it cuts down on the number of kids accessing hard-core inappropriate content, that's all that matters.

How much of an intrusion into your privacy would you agree with if it supposedly protects children from inappropriate content?

For example, would you agree with the government monitoring all your PC activity, including internet use and access to your webcam, so that they can make sure that no minor is sitting in front of the screen while inappropriate content is watched?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

If it cuts down on the number of kids accessing hard-core inappropriate content, that's all that matters.

"if it cuts down on...", by itself, isn't a practical mitigation strategy for any problem when living in a complex society.

We could "cut down on" tax fraud by having one IRS auditor per every 100 citizens.

We could "cut down on" traffic related deaths by capping the speed limit at 20 mph everywhere.

We could "cut down on" obesity by outlawing fast food and imposing a sugar tax of 50%.


All of those measures would create a "net positive" in terms of the myopically structured objective. None of those measures would be feasible or sensible when other aspects of society and externalities are taken into account.

 

[Ceallaigh]

How much of an intrusion into your privacy would you agree with if it supposedly protects children from inappropriate content?

For example, would you agree with the government monitoring all your PC activity, including internet use and access to your webcam, so that they can make sure that no minor is sitting in front of the screen while inappropriate content is watched?

How did you get all the way there from simple age verification?

 

[Ceallaigh]

"if it cuts down on...", by itself, isn't a practical mitigation strategy for any problem when living in a complex society.

We could "cut down on" tax fraud by having one IRS auditor per every 100 citizens.

We could "cut down on" traffic related deaths by capping the speed limit at 20 mph everywhere.

We could "cut down on" obesity by outlawing fast food and imposing a sugar tax of 50%.


All of those measures would create a "net positive" in terms of the myopically structured objective. None of those measures would be feasible or sensible when other aspects of society and externalities are taken into account.

How did you get all the way there from simple age verification?

It really wouldn't be difficult to establish an age verification system that simply green lights a user to access age restricted content, such as R rated motion pictures. Without giving out their name, rank and serial number to unscrupulous inappropriate content peddlers.

 

[Nithavela]

How did you get all the way there from simple age verification?

It's just an (admitedly extreme) example. I'd just like to know at which point an intrusion into privacy "for the children" is no longer okay with you.

 

[Ceallaigh]

It's just an (admitedly extreme) example. I'd just like to know at which point an intrusion into privacy "for the children" is no longer okay with you.

Well in the scenario you gave, I personally wouldn't care much. Being watched on camera and my internet activity being monitored already exists at work. And since I don't do anything at home that's much different than what I do at work conduct wise, it would really just be more of the same. Probably the only major difference that would be seen in my online home computer use compared to at work, would be my online video game playing.

However what's really the issue is just some sort of age verification to access adult content on the internet. Which should include websites that contain extreme violence or gore or even just R rated movies. And like I already said, I think age verification can be accomplished without having to include other personal information.

 

[Nithavela]

Well in the scenario you gave, I personally wouldn't care much.

Good to know! I hope you can see why some people wouldn't want to be watched by the government through their webcam whenever they use the internet.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Good to know! I hope you can see why some people wouldn't want to be watched by the government through their webcam whenever they use the internet.

This thread isn't about that though. How about putting away the hyperbolic snowball scenarios, and getting back to what's actually taking place?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

How did you get all the way there from simple age verification?

It really wouldn't be difficult to establish an age verification system that simply green lights a user to access age restricted content, such as R rated motion pictures. Without giving out their name, rank and serial number to unscrupulous inappropriate content peddlers.

To highlight the flaws in the "as long as it has any measure of success in this thing I'm trying to solve (without considerations of any other factors)"

How would one establish an age verification system without them having access to your name? I would assume a driver's license would be at the core of this system correct? Without a state issued ID of some sort being used to verify (and even that doesn't verify that the license belongs to the person sitting at the keyboard), we're back to the current honor system of "Click this button if you are over 18".

 

[Ceallaigh]

To highlight the flaws in the "as long as it has any measure of success in this thing I'm trying to solve (without considerations of any other factors)"

How would one establish an age verification system without them having access to your name? I would assume a driver's license would be at the core of this system correct? Without a state issued ID of some sort being used to verify (and even that doesn't verify that the license belongs to the person sitting at the keyboard), we're back to the current honor system of "Click this button if you are over 18".

Third party age verification service.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Third party age verification service.

And will they have the access to your driver's license info? (as well as the info on which site you're attempting to gain access to). That's not a risk free approach either

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...entography-viewing-habits-privacy-groups-warn

Seems like the method I outlined back on page one (with screenshots) is the option most people will go with. Which is, simply clicking the VPN button in their browser and making it look like they're in Europe as to circumnavigate this completely.

Or, they'll simply choose a website/company that's not US-based, and then this whole thing becomes moot as the Netherlands, Germany, and Japan aren't beholden to the laws of Louisiana.

 

[Ceallaigh]

And will they have the access to your driver's license info? (as well as the info on which site you're attempting to gain access to). That's not a risk free approach either

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...entography-viewing-habits-privacy-groups-warn

Seems like the method I outlined back on page one (with screenshots) is the option most people will go with. Which is, simply clicking the VPN button in their browser and making it look like they're in Europe as to circumnavigate this completely.

Or, they'll simply choose a website/company that's not US-based, and then this whole thing becomes moot as the Netherlands, Germany, and Japan aren't beholden to the laws of Louisiana.

I like the idea of this making viewing online inappropriate content difficult and or uncomfortable. So I'm not really interested in coming up with solutions to alleviate that. What people should really be concerned about is that God is monitoring their activity.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I like the idea of this making viewing online inappropriate content difficult and or uncomfortable. So I'm not really interested in coming up with solutions to alleviate that. What people should really be concerned about is that God is monitoring their activity.

God is monitoring? Is it like the NSA or like Santa Claus?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I like the idea of this making viewing online inappropriate content difficult and or uncomfortable. So I'm not really interested in coming up with solutions to alleviate that. What people should really be concerned about is that God is monitoring their activity.

If one believes in God, I think it's fair to assume that God (as they see him/her) isn't going to be interested in trying to use someone's online surfing habits to try to gain political leverage or shun someone from society due to a leaked list of "who's been looking at the naughty stuff".

Conservative Louisianan's (especially ones running for office) would absolutely take that low road.

 

[Hans Blaster]

God is monitoring? Is it like the NSA or like Santa Claus?

Santa Claus. (I leave it as an exercise for the reader to work out why for themselves.)

 

[Ceallaigh]

If one believes in God, I think it's fair to assume that God (as they see him/her) isn't going to be interested in trying to use someone's online surfing habits to try to gain political leverage or shun someone from society due to a leaked list of "who's been looking at the naughty stuff".

Conservative Louisianan's (especially ones running for office) would absolutely take that low road.

All I have to offer is crocodile tears.

"you may be sure that your sin will find you out." Numbers 32:23

 

[Ceallaigh]

God is monitoring? Is it like the NSA or like Santa Claus?

Actually God already knows everything you're going to do in your lifetime. And after your lifetime, you're going to have to give an accounting for it. Scoff now, pay later.