New Info on Numbers 1260, 1290, 1335 and 42

[keras]

Ezekiel 40-48? I believe it's a conditional prophecy and have said so before several times (see Ezekiel 43:10-11).

This idea cannot be right, as there is still time for the Israelites to repent and be ashamed of their iniquities.
Also, the Israelites are all of the 12 tribes. Except for Judah; still scattered among the nations.
Ezekiel 40 to 48 is not in our Bibles conditionally, it is all an unfulfilled prophecy. We Christians will be the ones to come from far away to build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15

Because the scriptures themselves tell us what the purpose of the animal sacrifices were for (foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice) and they tell us that God is not pleased with and does not desire animal sacrifices. The scripture makes it clear as to what God's plans are, so it has nothing to do with denying them. I accept them as scripture teaches in the book of Hebrews, which you apparently ignore.

Whether or not sacrifices will again be made, is not an issue to hinge our belief on what God has planned for our future.
Many Prophesies repeat the desire of God to have a people in all of the holy Land, who will all be His faithful peoples. Never yet happened, but it surely will.
Psalms 37:29 The righteous will possess the Land and will live there forever.

 

[Timtofly]

How did I misspeak? Do you or do you not believe that animal sacrifices will be reinstated and performed at a physical temple in the future? You do believe that, right? If so, then I did not misspeak.

What are you referring to? Ezekiel 40-48? I believe it's a conditional prophecy and have said so before several times (see Ezekiel 43:10-11).

No, of course not. What a ridiculous question to ask anyone here. No one here believes that any two scriptures contradict each other.

I claim foreshadowing because that is exactly what Hebrews 10 says. Have you ever read the book of Hebrews? I don't get the sense that you've ever read it.

Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship

Because the scriptures themselves tell us what the purpose of the animal sacrifices were for (foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice) and they tell us that God is not pleased with and does not desire animal sacrifices. The scripture makes it clear as to what God's plans are, so it has nothing to do with denying them. I accept them as scripture teaches in the book of Hebrews, which you apparently ignore.

Obviously any future temple with future animal sacrifices will have not one thing to do with the Law of Moses or any foreshadowing period.

What Christ sets up in this future Millennium is up to Christ, not any one else.

Since Hebrews only deals with the Law of Moses, it certainly is not talking about a future 1000 year reign of Christ.

 

[jgr]

This idea cannot be right, as there is still time for the Israelites to repent and be ashamed of their iniquities.
Also, the Israelites are all of the 12 tribes. Except for Judah; still scattered among the nations.

You know very well that Abraham's genome is present in the entirety of humanity.

Why are you perpetuating racialized error?

 

[jeffweedaman]

T We Christians will be the ones to come from far away to build the new Temple.

We are the living stones of this new temple.

1Pet
2 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, 2 and like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, 3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.

As Living Stones
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by people, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in Scripture:

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a choice stone, a precious cornerstone,
And the one who believes in Him will not be put to shame.”

7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for unbelievers,

“A stone which the builders rejected,
This became the chief cornerstone,”

8 and,

“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;

for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this they were also appointed.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

11 Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts, which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God on the day of visitation.

 

[keras]

You know very well that Abraham's genome is present in the entirety of humanity.

Why are you perpetuating racialized error?

I agree, everyone alive today has some of Abe's genetics.
For us; the only criteria to be a child of God, is belief in Him and Jesus.

But underlying it all, is God's secret, the people He originally chose, were exiled and who Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24
You cannot deny these truths and the only conclusion possible is that the Christian peoples ARE the Israelites of God.

 

[jgr]

I agree, everyone alive today has some of Abe's genetics.
For us; the only criteria to be a child of God, is belief in Him and Jesus.

But underlying it all, is God's secret, the people He originally chose, were exiled and who Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24
You cannot deny these truths and the only conclusion possible is that the Christian peoples ARE the Israelites of God.

The people He originally chose were multiracial from the beginning, and were those who entered into the Old Covenant of faith and obedience with Him. (Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22).

The same is true today of those who enter into the New Covenant of faith and obedience with Him.

Christians.

 

[keras]

The people He originally chose

The people that God originally chose were descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ethnic Israelites.
The people of God today are those who have the faith that Abraham had.

They are God's people by faith AND mainly by descent. ALL the Christian peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9

 

[Zao is life]

Remember that God wanted sacrifices and offerings before and He is an unchanging God.

Shocking. It means you undervalue the ONE sacrifice, which is also the once for all sacrifice that it it all pointed to.

Shocking.

 

[jgr]

The people that God originally chose were descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ethnic Israelites.

They were both descendants, and non-descendants ("not of thy seed", Genesis 17:12), of Abraham.

They were chosen by their Covenant faith and obedience.

Just like today.

Spiritual DNA.

Alone.

 

[keras]

Shocking. It means you undervalue the ONE sacrifice, which is also the once for all sacrifice that it it all pointed to.

Shocking.

Be shocked and amazed.... Isaiah 29:9-12

FG, do you believe the Anti-Christ will come in the end times?
Will he do what Daniel 9:27 says he will?

 

[Zao is life]

Be shocked and amazed.... Isaiah 29:9-12

FG, do you believe the Anti-Christ will come in the end times?
Will he do what Daniel 9:27 says he will?

The man of sin whom many Christians call "the Antichrist" is written about in 2 Thessalonians 2, and I have a whole thread about it proving that the temple mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is the church.

.. the church that has become full of false doctrines produced in the human imagination of men and women, which they have added to the scriptures.

Read that thread before you ask me any more questions, please (please). You will probably disagree with it anyway, because the way you interpret prophecy is produced in your own imagination.

For example, the Bible does not say anything about nuclear war (whether or not it will happen, the Bible does not say anything about nuclear war). You just read things into prophecy that are not there, and you also repeatedly (almost always) take metaphor and hyperbole when it's in a prophecy, and when it's referring to the historical people and cities and places which the context is talking about, and turn it into all sorts of things you have produced in your own imagination, so that you wind up even "quoting" the scriptures "that talk about nuclear war".

It's impossible to get through to you because you have for many years being employing your own method of interpreting prophecy, i.e a method which has created a malfunctioning eschatological mouse for you that causes you to highlight and drag prophecies out of their historical context and drop them into folders that you've created in another millennium, and you add things like nuclear war while you're about it.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Obviously any future temple with future animal sacrifices will have not one thing to do with the Law of Moses or any foreshadowing period.

So, where does scripture speak of such a temple?

 

[keras]

The man of sin whom many Christians call "the Antichrist" is written about in 2 Thessalonians 2, and I have a whole thread about it proving that the temple mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is the church.

I have read that thread and I totally disagree with the idea that 2 Thess 2:4 refers to the Church.
It will be a real new Temple on the Temple Mount and Christians will worship in it, the Anti-Christ will desecrate it and Jesus will Return to it.

the Bible does not say anything about nuclear war

Quite right. There aren't any wars prophesied; only 4 events where the Lord destroys His enemies. Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38, Revelation 19:17-21, and Revelation 20:9

It's impossible to get through to you

I promote what the Prophets said.
That what they actually said is impossible for you to understand, is not my concern. I present the scriptures.
Only as things happen, will most people finally understand. Isaiah 32:3-4, Matthew 11:25

 

[Christian Gedge]

It will be a real new Temple on the Temple Mount and Christians will worship in it, the Anti-Christ will desecrate it and Jesus will Return to it.

If a new temple is built on the Temple Mount, it will not be one that Jesus returns to. Neither will Christians worship in it. (Except those who are apostatised) As for Antichrist desecrating it, it will already be an abomination in and of itself. Keras, please rid yourself of this seriously wrong doctrine.

 

[jgr]

I have read that thread and I totally disagree with the idea that 2 Thess 2:4 refers to the Church.
It will be a real new Temple on the Temple Mount and Christians will worship in it, the Anti-Christ will desecrate it and Jesus will Return to it.

Quite right. There aren't any wars prophesied; only 3 events where the Lord destroys His enemies. Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38, Revelation 19:17-21

I promote what the Prophets said.
That what they actually said is impossible for you to understand, is not my concern. I present the scriptures.
Only as things happen, will most people finally understand. Isaiah 32:3-4, Matthew 11:25

Keras, do you still deny that believers in Christ are under His New Covenant?

Because if you do, then that certainly explains why you reject everything that the NT says about sacrifices, and all else that it declares about the New Covenant.

 

[Timtofly]

So, where does scripture speak of such a temple?

Revelation 7 and 11 give us future temples other than the one found in 30AD.

 

[Zao is life]

I have read that thread and I totally disagree with the idea that 2 Thess 2:4 refers to the Church.
It will be a real new Temple

If you don't know what the real new Temple is then the only thing that is going to help you is prayer.

 

[keras]

If a new temple is built on the Temple Mount, it will not be one that Jesus returns to. Neither will Christians worship in it. (Except those who are apostatised) As for Antichrist desecrating it, it will already be an abomination in and of itself. Keras, please rid yourself of this seriously wrong doctrine.

We Christians will build a new Temple to the Glory of God. as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says it will be.
The Anti-Christ will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings made in it. Daniel 9:27
Jesus will reside in it for the Millennium, as Zechariah 14:16-21 says.
Three straight out proofs from the Bible. Opinions don't count.

CG, please rid yourself of your wrong and unscriptural beliefs and the idea that we can know the Mind of God.

Keras, do you still deny that believers in Christ are under His New Covenant?

Yes I do. the New Covenant between the Lord and His Christian peoples, is yet to be cut. It will be after we have migrated into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:25 [all of Ezekiel 34:11-31 prophesies this.]

Because if you do, then that certainly explains why you reject everything that the NT says about sacrifices, and all else that it declares about the New Covenant.

I reject nothing Written in the Bible. That is a very disgusting accusation.
We are told to not make sacrifices during this Church age, so we don't. We revere Jesus for making the Atonement for sins.
This does not say or mean that they will never be made again for other reasons. God wanted sacrifices for His worship; Exodus 29

The tenets of the new Covenant are not yet fulfilled. Hebrews 8:10-12
Jesus fulfilled His side of it, but we have yet to fulfil ours.

 

[jgr]

We Christians will build a new Temple to the Glory of God. as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says it will be.
The Anti-Christ will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings made in it. Daniel 9:27
Jesus will reside in it for the Millennium, as Zechariah 14:16-21 says.
Three straight out proofs from the Bible. Opinions don't count.

CG, please rid yourself of your wrong and unscriptural beliefs and the idea that we can know the Mind of God.

Yes I do. the New Covenant between the Lord and His Christian peoples, is yet to be cut. It will be after we have migrated into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:25 [all of Ezekiel 34:11-31 prophesies this.]

I reject nothing Written in the Bible. That is a very disgusting accusation.
We are told to not make sacrifices during this Church age, so we don't. We revere Jesus for making the Atonement for sins.
This does not say or mean that they will never be made again for other reasons. God wanted sacrifices for His worship; Exodus 29

The tenets of the new Covenant are not yet fulfilled. Hebrews 8:10-12
Jesus fulfilled His side of it, but we have yet to fulfil ours.

2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

I'm an able minister of the New Testament.

Every Blood-bought believer since Calvary is an able minister of the New Testament.

Sorry that you're not.

 

[Zao is life]

Keras, do you still deny that believers in Christ are under His New Covenant?

Because if you do, then that certainly explains why you reject everything that the NT says about sacrifices, and all else that it declares about the New Covenant.

Yes I do. the New Covenant between the Lord and His Christian peoples, is yet to be cut.

That's a different gospel to the one Christ died and shed His blood for, and the one the apostles taught us. It's no gospel at all. The New Covenant in Christ's blood in the one and only, once-for-all covenant anyone can have with God.