New Creationist theory on how life spread out after the flood.

[driewerf]

What you atheists don't seem to understand is that true science can never contradict the truth, which means it can never contradict the Bible. So why would Christians have a problem with science?

Do you agree with the last paragraph of Answers In Genesis statement of faith?

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.

If you can show me a quote from any Christian on this forum that says "I hate science" then you may have a valid point

If you only admit defeat when reading those three words, then no. But I consider "science can take a hike" as indeed "I hate science".

but until then, get off your high horse and stop throwing around baseless accusations and labels.

Like accusing scientists of making their conclusions "fit" the evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What??? You're either not reading my posts or you're just incapable of understanding. Come back when you have something intelligent to say. I will no longer respond to these kinds of trolling posts.

He was trolling.

He was also correct.

 

[bhsmte]

What you atheists don't seem to understand is that true science can never contradict the truth, which means it can never contradict the Bible. So why would Christians have a problem with science?

If you can show me a quote from any Christian on this forum that says "I hate science" then you may have a valid point but until then, get off your high horse and stop throwing around baseless accusations and labels.

When you can prove the bible is true with verifiable evidence, let us know.

 

[EternalDragon]

You can't be serious?

Most if not all christians have no problem with science?

This site is a prime example of how inaccurate that statement is!

I thought this forum was about evolution vs creationism,
not creationism vs science.

 

[LastSeven]

Christian scientists can separate their religious beliefs from their science. The Bible has been reinterpreted many times due to scientific advances. We no longer believe the Earth is flat. The Bible does teach that. We no longer believe that the Sun goes around the Earth. The Bible teaches that.

What is amazing is that Christians will put on blinders to their past errors and deny them.


Some day the same will apply to evolution.

The bible does not teach that the earth is flat and the bible does not teach that the sun goes around the earth. You are referring to figures of speech. Don't we still today say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

 

[Lethe]

The bible does not teach that the earth is flat and the bible does not teach that the sun goes around the earth. You are referring to figures of speech. Don't we still today say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

Four CORNERS of the Earth. CORNERS FOR ****'s SAKE!

Mentioned repeatedly throughout the Bible. Yeah. The Bible. Just full of legitimate facts about the Earth.

 

[LastSeven]

Let me ask all the atheists this question. Do you believe in a supernatural world at all? Do you believe the stories of out of body experiences? People who've died on the operating table and came back and described seeing their own bodies?

 

[Lethe]

Red herring. And no.

 

[lasthero]

The bible does not teach that the earth is flat and the bible does not teach that the sun goes around the earth. You are referring to figures of speech. Don't we still today say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

Santa disagrees with you.

IMMOVABLE EARTH: Geocentric Bible - YouTube

And who are you to disagree with Santa?

 

[bhsmte]

The bible does not teach that the earth is flat and the bible does not teach that the sun goes around the earth. You are referring to figures of speech. Don't we still today say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

Do you believe the bible is inerrant?
Do you believe the bible is the inspired word of God?

 

[bhsmte]

Let me ask all the atheists this question. Do you believe in a supernatural world at all? Do you believe the stories of out of body experiences? People who've died on the operating table and came back and described seeing their own bodies?

Do people dream while sleeping?
Do people have delusions?

The brain can do some funny things with a lack of oxygen.

 

[Loudmouth]

If they did see intelligent Design they would not admit it because it does not fit their naturalistic presupposition.

So humans are not using natural mechanisms when they design things? Are humans supernatural? Are you assuming that the designer has to be supernatural?

Plus the other atheist scientists would laugh at them and beat them up.

Oh please. Fake persecution is fake persecution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The bible does not teach that the earth is flat and the bible does not teach that the sun goes around the earth. You are referring to figures of speech. Don't we still today say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?

Actually it does. The Earth is described as a flat disc. There are several events in the Bible that could only happen on a flat Earth.

Like I said, Christians go into denial about the past false beliefs in the Bible.

And as far as the Earth not being the center of the universe Galileo got in trouble for showing that was false.

 

[Loudmouth]

What you atheists don't seem to understand is that true science can never contradict the truth, which means it can never contradict the Bible.

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

 

[Subduction Zone]

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

Yup, and in another 100 or 200 years, if Christianity is still alive they will be denying some other discovery of science.

As for Flat Earthers, there still are some. They have a website that supports this and they even have their own AV over there. If you thought it was hopeless arguing with AV over there you will find people who will teach you the concept of futility.

 

[LastSeven]

Actually it does. The Earth is described as a flat disc. There are several events in the Bible that could only happen on a flat Earth.

Like I said, Christians go into denial about the past false beliefs in the Bible.

And as far as the Earth not being the center of the universe Galileo got in trouble for showing that was false.

First of all the word used for disc can also be translated as sphere. Secondly the Bible doesn't teach that the earth is the center of the universe. That was an invention of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Lethe]

And the word used for "corner," typically means, "edge."

And we all know how a sphere has edges. RIGHT!?

 

[Subduction Zone]

First of all the word used for disc can also be translated as sphere. Secondly the Bible doesn't teach that the earth is the center of the universe. That was an invention of the Roman Catholic Church.

No, those are lies by apologists. Christian apologists are merely liars for Jesus. The actual word refers to an inscribed circle. There was a perfectly good word for a sphere that was not used.

Secondly since the Sun "went around the Earth", which the Bible does support, as did everything else that could be observed it was assumed the Earth was the center of the universe by all early Christians that gave it any thought.

Plus you are forgetting at least three events that could only happen on a flat Earth. Three different times it was stated that the whole Earth could be seen from a one point or that one point could be seen from the whole Earth. The second is equivalent to the first, if you took an geometry.

 

[AV1611VET]

They have a website that supports this and they even have their own AV over there.

-- Please, please don't tell me I'm becoming a common noun, verb, adverb, or adjective!

Please!

I'll leave this place forever before that happens.

 

[LastSeven]

Do people dream while sleeping?
Do people have delusions?

The brain can do some funny things with a lack of oxygen.

What about the case of a migrant worker named Maria whose story was documented by her critical care social worker, Kimberly Clark. Maria told Clark how she had been able to look down on herself after she die on the operating table and she went outside the hospital and spotted a tennis shoe on the roof of the building. Something she could not have seen without going outside. The story was confirmed when Kimberly Clark went up on the roof to retrieve the tennis shoe.

Or what about the case where a Dutch patient's dentures had been removed during cardiac arrest, and when the nurse wasn't able to find them later, the patient reminded her where they were.

There are literally thousands of such cases documented each year. Are all these people lying? For what purpose? They are certainly not all Christians wanting to support their position. In fact many of these stories come from atheists.

I met one of these people myself when I was working in Saskatchewan a few years ago. He has never believed in God, but after being electrocuted inside a military plane and briefly floating up through the ceiling and into the sky he now certainly believes in "some sort of afterlife".

Anyway, I've never heard of a dream or delusion that allowed one to actually see objects on the roof of the building in which one is "sleeping".