New CF - finally...

[Lisa0315]

That's not quite accurate. This is probably why Erwin said he'll see how this all goes (with voting mods).

I could (as a "Christian" (though not a Bible believing Christian ) bring over several friends, all sign up, all post 100 times some silly posts elsewhere to give ourselves voting rights, stand for election, vote for each other and tada "I'm a mod"

This was discussed earlier in the other thread - and there's nothing to stop it happening. And the position is for a year!

If a hundred votes is all that is required to become a mod, then, we deserve a Mormon mod.

Lisa

 

[sparklecat]

I did not say they were deaf to the Holy Spirit. But, they are not following God's precepts or they would already be a believer. Given the choice between siding with a believer and nonbeliever during the course of debate they are not going to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit because they are not in that relationship yet.

Stop by General Apologetics sometime. If a Christian and a non-Christian are in an argument, and other non-Christians feel the Christian is right on the matter, they'll say so.

 

[gee]

But how do you expect a website to be able to know that the "husband" you referring to who goes to church...............

Well, it's good to see you explain some things Erwin.

The point is, your website used to define who a Christian is, and their beliefs. Now, it's anyone can believe what they want to and be saved.

How does anyone know any different when there is no stand by the forum itself?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

What happens when a Mormon is the moderator of that forum? Those changes have not taken place yet. .

Perhaps it is not time to worry about something that has not yet happened...

 

[Lisa0315]

Stop by General Apologetics sometime. If a Christian and a non-Christian are in an argument, and other non-Christians feel the Christian is right on the matter, they'll say so.

I have seen it happen many times. You speak the truth.

Lisa

 

[gee]

If a hundred votes is all that is required to become a mod, then, we deserve a Mormon mod.

Lisa

No... 100 posts to get voting rights.

Who knows how many people will vote? If it's anything like normal elections, then....!

 

[Lisa0315]

No... 100 posts to get voting rights.

Who knows how many people will vote? If it's anything like normal elections, then....!

You said that they would go get their hundred friends. So, that is 100 votes.

Again, if Christians on this site are not the majority, then, that is our own fault.

Lisa

 

[meant4worship]

I agree with you on principle - that person is not a true Christian. But how do you expect a website to be able to know that the "husband" you referring to who goes to church, raises his hands, and praises the Lord, is also cheating on his wife? If we find out, do you want the website to ban this member? Or remove the Christian faith icon from this member? What should a website be able to do? This "husband"'s church may excommunicate him, but can a website do that? I go back to the first question, how would CF know that this "husband" is a wife-cheater?



We are basically allowing wedding rings on members' profiles so that members can show that they are wearing a wedding ring. It is not an endorsement of gay marriages. I personally don't support gay marriages. But if a gay person comes into my home, or my church, and is wearing a wedding ring, even though I don't support gay marriages, do I FORCE this gay person to take off his ring? How do we know if someone is gay in the first place? How do we prove it? Do we send in private investigators?



What you stated here is exactly what I am trying to achieve - the Pharisees were the religious folk stuck to legalism who refused to mingle with non-believers - Jesus was opposite - he went to meet the prostitutes, the tax collectors. Let us not be white-washed tombs, like the Pharisees. I agree with you on this point.



We agree here.



I don't see how the new CF, which still has a completely Christian focus, will end up as Religious forums. The membership will not allow it, and neither would I.

Thank you for your candid responses, Erwin...

I am still too new to have learned the nuances of the multiquote function so forgive me if my responses are a little confusing.

By opening the gate and saying "if you say you are a Christian then you are one" implies that a Mormon is a Christian. Of a Hindu. Or a Muslim. These faiths are anti-Christ. By giving a seal of approval to them as "christian" the spirit of anti-christ is allowed in.

I fully recognize and appreciate the inability of a forum or webmaster to Police a site and determine who is and isn't a christian. As you stated, we cannot judge the heart of a person but we can judge the fruit of their lives. Would I ask a gay person to remove their wedding ring in my home. Absolutely not, but neither would I be limited in what I could say to them or how to say it. You don't know me to know that anything I would say would be said in love and compassion for their lostness. But, if a homosexual were allowed to moderate a forum in which I was sharing the love of Jesus...according to forum rules, with a homosexual and they did not agree with my stance what happens when that moderator steps in? You don't put a fox in charge of the hen house.

Erwin, I have tremendous compassion for what you are trying to do. Beleive me, I have spent many hours praying for you over the last several days. I just feel that by opening the gates in the manner you have, you are actually going to end up limiting what believers can do in the harvest that could potentially come.

I pray you will not take my thoughts as a personal affront to you. They are certainly in no way intended that way. I don't have a desire to be a part of a community that is solely for Christians... I can't work in the harvest field that way. But, neither do I desire to sit back and end up on the other side of prejuidice either. I hope you'll understand what I mean when I say that. Everyone has a bias. Everyone is out to prove they are right... that is a form of pride. I would rather bow out than try to prove my "rightness" and not be a part of something I just can't support!

My prayers and blessings are with you, Erwin. I pray Ephesians 1:16-21 over you regularly!!!!

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

Why would he? It is a set up. If he answers you, he will have broken his own rule. If he doesn't answer you, then, you bust him for that too.

His best answer is no answer just as Christ gave...

Lisa

Does this sound like the New Erwin?

Please READ BEFORE POSTING!!!

This forum is for the discussion of doctrines held by people who are members of churches and denominations that do not fall within conventional mainstream evangelical Christianity - basically people who hold beliefs that do not fall within the definition of Christianity as laid out in our Forum Rules, which is based on the Nicene Creed. These people will not be allowed to post in our Christian-only forums.

Examples of these people who fall within this category are "Christians" who are also Preterist, "Christians" who reject the Trinitarian nature of God, or "Christians" who are Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses, and other denominations considered cults or sects by mainstream Christianity.

However, these members who consider themselves "Christians", (although not according to our Rules) may still post in this forum. (NOTE: atheists and non-Christians are NOT allowed to post in here).

This forum was created to foster communication and debate between Mainstream Christians (defined as Protestants and Catholics, Orthodox and Messianics) and those who consider themselves Christians who do not belong within mainstream Christianity. It is hoped that we can learn more about God, the Bible and each other.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Well, it's good to see you explain some things Erwin.

The point is, your website used to define who a Christian is, and their beliefs. Now, it's anyone can believe what they want to and be saved.

How does anyone know any different when there is no stand by the forum itself?

So, we are forgetting the Holy Spirit?

 

[CerberusQuatros]

Without the Holy Spirit is TOTAL DEPRAVITY".

Do you understand this degratory view of non-Christians is exactly what leads people like M4P to believe what they believe about us?

Don't you understand its that kind of thinking that puts me on guard when someone tells me they're Christian?

Don't you see that such stupid, and downright wrong views about us lead us to think the very same things about you?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I have dealt with cults but (as I posted earlier) I am more afraid of of "wolves" more than I am afraid of cults, atheists and others. I can deal what I know but its harder to deal with the wolves who act like "wildlife terrorists" that comes in without us knowing. There are false teachers who are within our faith and using Christianity to lead us from the truth. That is where the most dangerous teachings come from. False teachers can work their way into CF and Christ have warned us of those wolves who come into our "Christian Forums" pretending to be one of us.

Brother, this may have more to say about your own fear than the presence of "wolves" at CF.

 

[gee]

You said that they would go get their hundred friends. So, that is 100 votes.

Again, if Christians on this site are not the majority, then, that is our own fault.

Lisa

Not if people don't vote.

Not if people have left because they don't believe in what the site stands for.

Not if it's called "Christian" forums, but isn't.

I never said anything about 100 friends

 

[sparklecat]

meant4worship - We've had that kind of discrimination happen to us enough here that we're rather wary of it.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Does this sound like the New Erwin?

Therefore, you are saying that the Mormons, JW, other religious people who are not Christians as well as athiests are eternally lost and there is NOTHING we can do for them that God can use us?

 

[gee]

So, we are forgetting the Holy Spirit?

Not at all but you know Jim, it's not all about the Holy Spirit. I hope you haven't taken that wrong to start with.

It's about our part too. We work in co-operation.

If it was all Holy Spirit, why would anyone ever bother witness? Why? Because unless they go, who will hear the message? How beautiful are the feet of those.

If a non-believer went into a church (which this forum isn't) and heard a message from it's pastor and the people there, and then went to get some literature on what that church believed - and that literature said "you are a Christian if you think you are", don't you think that person (who may never come back) will leave confused at least. They could leave thinking they are a Christian as they are. And be lost.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Brother, this may have more to say about your own fear than the presence of "wolves" at CF.

The main thing to understand and remember is that Jesus is MY SHEPHERD that He will supply all my needs (Phil. 4:19) and that He knows everything about my life (Ps. 139:3), cares about me (1 Pet. 5:7), has the power for every difficulty (Ps. 62:11), is perfecting me to be like Christ (Phil. 1:6), and that nothing escapes Him (Ps. 147:5), that will lead me to be stable, not anxious living.

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

Therefore, you are saying that the Mormons, JW, other religious people who are not Christians as well as athiests are eternally lost and there is NOTHING we can do for them that God can use us?

The message to them is repent. Only God can grant repentance. Our role is a clear message.

Jim, I have read hundreds of Erwin's posts in staff forums. I am saying I am seeing a dramatic change. Things that were set in stone are up for WIKI. Compromise all around.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

The main thing to understand and remember is that Jesus is MY SHEPHERD that He will supply all my needs (Phil. 4:19) and that He knows everything about my life (Ps. 139:3), cares about me (1 Pet. 5:7), has the power for every difficulty (Ps. 62:11), is perfecting me to be like Christ (Phil. 1:6), and that nothing escapes Him (Ps. 147:5), that will lead me to be stable, not anxious living.

agreed!

 

[CerberusQuatros]

I don't know. The last time I nominated an atheist to be un-banned, my PM was never acknowledged. When I said it publicly, I was given a warning.

Sounds normal.

I was just saying that if the process comes into place, I would bet that it will require a member in good standing to nominate someone who is banned. Then, membership would have to vote.

Sounds like a good idea.

However, like I said, before I would nominate you. I would have to get to know you better, witness to you , and hear your side of the story. (Yes, OF COURSE, I am going to WITNESS to you! Do you think I am just being NICE to you?)

You're welcome to try, honey. You're not the first, and I doupt you'll be the last, so gimme your best.

BTW, I'm a Deist, I picked the wrong damn icon.