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< I don't know more about God and His Church than our saints.>>
But you do know more than our EP.
But you do know more than our EP.
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no, but the saints certainly do. nothing I believe I came up with on my own. it is what the saints have shown in their writings and their lives.
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The Church of the East accepted King Khosrau's Synod of 612AD which was the first to describe Miaphysite Christology later adopted by the OO and which the current EP has deemed compatible with Chalcedon.
This is no longer the 5th century. The OO long ago rejected Nestorianism. (In fact, they found Chalcedon too Nestorian to accept.) Maybe you could consider the notion of catching up and submitting to the leadership of his All Holiness, Bartholomew I, Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome, and Ecumenical Patriarch whose wisdom you have, on your own, in your zeal to be THE Orthodox believer par excellence, decided to reject as “not Orthodox enough” for you.
Somewhere it says: “Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account.”
This is no longer the 5th century. The OO long ago rejected Nestorianism. (In fact, they found Chalcedon too Nestorian to accept.) Maybe you could consider the notion of catching up and submitting to the leadership of his All Holiness, Bartholomew I, Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome, and Ecumenical Patriarch whose wisdom you have, on your own, in your zeal to be THE Orthodox believer par excellence, decided to reject as “not Orthodox enough” for you.
Somewhere it says: “Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account.”
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well, since I am not Greek, the EP does not rule over me. my bishop is Met Tikhon of Washington.
second, just because something is old does not mean it is untrue. I know that the OO are not Nestorian. they say we are.
third, this "wisdom that I have" is actually what was spoken to me by my seminary professors (three of whom have doctorates, and two are heiromonks), what I have read in the lives of the saints, and what folks like Elder Cleopa have said. nothing what I am saying is my own. I am doing nothing on my own.
second, just because something is old does not mean it is untrue. I know that the OO are not Nestorian. they say we are.
third, this "wisdom that I have" is actually what was spoken to me by my seminary professors (three of whom have doctorates, and two are heiromonks), what I have read in the lives of the saints, and what folks like Elder Cleopa have said. nothing what I am saying is my own. I am doing nothing on my own.
I don't know why you have to get nasty like this. there is no need for sarcasm. I never said that the EP is not "Orthodox enough" for me, and I have no issues with the man personally.
it does, and I am. my bishop, the priests I know, and the clergy at the seminary here say they are outside of the Church. we listen to the Church above any one person, bishop, priest, etc. if someone is right 99% of the time, you listen to the 99% and not the 1%. the person could be an amazing and loving bishop and theologian, and a walking saint, and this to be true.
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Jim,
What the heck are you talking about? The OO consider us Nestorian. That's why we call them monophysite which would make no sense if they are diophysites (a term they use for us). Do you even know who the OO churches are? How can you contradict yourself by saying they are miaphysites and then claim they were Nestorian? The OO were and are strict Cyrillians in their christology.
And im under the EP and I can guarantee you that the Anathemas still stand and they are recieved into the Church through the canonical prescriptions
What the heck are you talking about? The OO consider us Nestorian. That's why we call them monophysite which would make no sense if they are diophysites (a term they use for us). Do you even know who the OO churches are? How can you contradict yourself by saying they are miaphysites and then claim they were Nestorian? The OO were and are strict Cyrillians in their christology.
And im under the EP and I can guarantee you that the Anathemas still stand and they are recieved into the Church through the canonical prescriptions
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