Nervous Republicans See Trump Sinking, and Taking Senate With Him

[loveofourlord]

More likely is that the president will postpone the election for a year or two when the second wave comes in the fall.

well I'm all for president pelosi but not sure even trump is dumb enough to want that...oh wait maybe he is.

 

[trunks2k]

well I'm all for president pelosi but not sure even trump is dumb enough to want that...oh wait maybe he is.

As mentioned earlier, if the election was to be postponed (it can't, but let's just play), that would mean in addition to the president's term ending in January, all house Representatives end their terms too. So there's nobody in the house, so no speaker of the house, and no representative pelosi

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

As mentioned earlier, if the election was to be postponed (it can't, but let's just play), that would mean in addition to the president's term ending in January, all house Representatives end their terms too. So there's nobody in the house, so no speaker of the house, and no representative pelosi

There would be a Pro Tempore of the Senate available though (next in line for the Oval Office). At the moment it is Chuck Grassley of Iowa. However, Congress gets installed (or not installed in this scenario) a couple of weeks before the president. Without an election the Democrats would gain a majority in the senate (more republicans are up for re-election). Traditionally it goes to the longest serving member from the majority party so it would be Diane Feinstein of California would become President under this scenario.

 

[Arcangl86]

There would be a Pro Tempore of the Senate available though (next in line for the Oval Office). At the moment it is Chuck Grassley of Iowa. However, Congress gets installed (or not installed in this scenario) a couple of weeks before the president. Without an election the Democrats would gain a majority in the senate (more republicans are up for re-election). Traditionally it goes to the longest serving member from the majority party so it would be Diane Feinstein of California would become President under this scenario.

Also assumes that the governors of states that allow it don't appoint Senators to fill the gaps.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Also assumes that the governors of states that allow it don't appoint Senators to fill the gaps.

If the Governors were to refill all the slots and pick the party they are a part of for the replacements, I believe we would have a 49-49 split plus Sanders (VT) and King (ME) who caucus with the Democrats so the pro tempore would be a Democrat.

 

[loveofourlord]

Also assumes that the governors of states that allow it don't appoint Senators to fill the gaps.

I think the argument I heard against that is, they wouldn't want to create a advantage to either side so would rather keep the status quo

 

[ViaCrucis]

You have got to be familiar with Cloward Piven and Saul Alinsky. The left has been using their strategies forever. I'm not going to do the research for you, but if you look it up you'll find it.

That's the usual right-wing talking point at least.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[driewerf]

Where exactly are these 'nervous' Republicans?

Confined at home?

 

[hislegacy]

You have got to be familiar with Cloward Piven and Saul Alinsky. The left has been using their strategies forever. I'm not going to do the research for you, but if you look it up you'll find it.

QFT -

 

[TLK Valentine]

You have got to be familiar with Cloward Piven and Saul Alinsky. The left has been using their strategies forever. I'm not going to do the research for you, but if you look it up you'll find it.

The right has been using their strategies as well... if you were familiar with them, you'd know this.

 

[Kentonio]

You have got to be familiar with Cloward Piven and Saul Alinsky. The left has been using their strategies forever. I'm not going to do the research for you, but if you look it up you'll find it.

It’s actually extremely funny that you’d bring up Alinsky..

In the 2000s Rules for Radicals did develop as a primer for middle-class moblization, but it was of a kind and in a direction—the return to "vanished verities"—that Alinsky had feared. As did William F. Buckley in the 1960s, a new generation of libertarian, right-wing populist, and conservative activists seemed willing to admire Alinsky's disruptive organizing talents while rejecting his social-justice politics. Rules for Radicals, and adaptations of the book, began circulating among Republican Tea Party activists. According to spokesman Adam Brandon, the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, distributed a short adaptation of Alinsky's work, Rules for Patriots, through its entire network. Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey is also reported to have given copies of Alinsky's book to leaders of the Tea Party movement[62]. In Rules for Conservative Radicals (2009) Michael Patrick Leahy, an early Tea Party leader, offered "sixteen rules for conservative radicals based on lessons from Saul Alinsky, the Tea Party Movement, and the Apostle Paul".[63]

 

[rjs330]

That's the usual right-wing talking point at least.

-CryptoLutheran

That's what they say when they know it's true but don't want to admit it. That's okay these days because the right is learning from them now and doing some if the same things. It's sad really. And quite frankly disturbing.

 

[rjs330]

It’s actually extremely funny that you’d bring up Alinsky..

So you do know!

Now if you go back to what I said you can see the truth in it. The left started it at the right has now picked it up. They are not as good at it yet, but they are getting there. They now see how good it works.

And what's interesting is the left hates it! What the left has done for years is now being used against them and they cry foul! Sometimes it's tough to get a taste of your own medicine.

But that hasn't and won't stop the left, they will just double down.

Now it's becoming a war and I don't like it.

 

[Kentonio]

So you do know!

Now if you go back to what I said you can see the truth in it. The left started it at the right has now picked it up. They are not as good at it yet, but they are getting there. They now see how good it works.

And what's interesting is the left hates it! What the left has done for years is now being used against them and they cry foul! Sometimes it's tough to get a taste of your own medicine.

But that hasn't and won't stop the left, they will just double down.

Now it's becoming a war and I don't like it.

You’re talking about a guy who developed community organizing methods in the 60’s and claiming that means the left have always been hyper partisan and divisive. It’s very silly.

 

[Albion]

You’re talking about a guy who developed community organizing methods in the 60’s and claiming that means the left have always been hyper partisan and divisive. It’s very silly.

That sanitized characterization of it might be called silly, I agree.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That's what they say when they know it's true but don't want to admit it. That's okay these days because the right is learning from them now and doing some if the same things. It's sad really. And quite frankly disturbing.

The only mention of Alinsky I have ever encountered has been from those on the right who accuse the left of using Alinsky's tactics, and then say that the right should co-opt those tactics against the left.

Which leads me to believe that Saul Alinsky is just another "leftist bogeyman" which the right uses to scare each other with.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[rjs330]

The only mention of Alinsky I have ever encountered has been from those on the right who accuse the left of using Alinsky's tactics, and then say that the right should co-opt those tactics against the left.

Which leads me to believe that Saul Alinsky is just another "leftist bogeyman" which the right uses to scare each other with.

-CryptoLutheran

No that's because they use his tactics because they have for so long they don't need to call it out. It's been so ingrained in the left that they just do it now and most of them probably don't even know where they came from. The right has figured out that the tactics can be effective. And now the right is using them too. And the left doesn't like it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The only mention of Alinsky I have ever encountered has been from those on the right who accuse the left of using Alinsky's tactics, and then say that the right should co-opt those tactics against the left.

Which leads me to believe that Saul Alinsky is just another "leftist bogeyman" which the right uses to scare each other with.

-CryptoLutheran

No that's because they use his tactics because they have for so long they don't need to call it out. It's been so ingrained in the left that they just do it now and most of them probably don't even know where they came from. The right has figured out that the tactics can be effective. And now the right is using them too. And the left doesn't like it.

I don’t believe most conservatives have read Rules for Radicals. I suspect they’ve all just heard about it from their preferred propagandists and repeated what are effectively ghost stories. I haven’t read it but I’ve got it on request from the library and fully expect to be disappointed with its banality.

 

[rjs330]

I don’t believe most conservatives have read Rules for Radicals. I suspect they’ve all just heard about it from their preferred propagandists and repeated what are effectively ghost stories. I haven’t read it but I’ve got it on request from the library and fully expect to be disappointed with its banality.

Be prepared for a rather boring read. It was written some time ago. Here's a good article on Alinskis rules.

Saul Alinsky's 13 Tried-and-True Rules for Creating Meaningful Social Change | Open Culture

Saul Alinsky’s: The Progressives Rules for Radicals

This is just evidence as to the truth of what I have been saying. The progressive left started all this and you can see how tactics have remained tried and true with some variations.

 

[Pommer]

Be prepared for a rather boring read. It was written some time ago. Here's a good article on Alinskis rules.

Saul Alinsky's 13 Tried-and-True Rules for Creating Meaningful Social Change | Open Culture

Saul Alinsky’s: The Progressives Rules for Radicals

This is just evidence as to the truth of what I have been saying. The progressive left started all this and you can see how tactics have remained tried and true with some variations.

Hahaha, no, it hasn’t. The premise is false, erroneous conclusions drawn.

The only ones using it now are some “conservative operatives”.