Daniel Marsh
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My point is both viewpoints have been purpose by human philosophy. And, discussing this all year will not resolve it. But, I do enjoy reading both side of a discussion. Is there a third viewpoint?
Where's your coverage of Jude 1:6-7...
Jude 6-7
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
KJV
All those ideas from men's commentaries and you forget the above proof about angels having left their habitation (residence), and their first estate (principality), and like those in Sodom and Gomorrah, went after strange flesh (different flesh).
Those are certainly angels Jude is talking about and not flesh men, and that is certainly pointing directly to the events in Genesis 6 when the "sons of God" took wives of the daughters of the man Adam (in the Hebrew, the KJV phrase "daughters of men" is Hebrew 'eth haa aadam', which is pointing specifically to the Adam which God formed in His Garden of Eden).
There is a link between the Nephilim and Philistines.
I see Jude 6-7 as separate events. The angels at Sodom and Gomorrah did not sin.
Surely you're not serious.
Jude 1:6-7 is making an association to the angels of Genesis 6 doing a similar sin that the SODOMITES of Sodom and Gomorrah did regarding unnatural flesh sexual relations. Don't you know what sodomy is? The angels of Genesis 6 leaving their heavenly habitation to take wives of flesh daughters of Adam was an unnatural flesh sexual relation.
Gen 6:2
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
KJV
Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV
How does these half angels half man get past the flood? Why would not God destroy that offspring?
and, yet in Scripture there is no evidence that angels and humans can reproduce.
You're simply in denial of the simplicity of the Scripture.
Gen 6:2
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
KJV
Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV
Jude 6-7
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
KJV
Call the following just speculation if you want, but when we pull all the relevant Scripture together about that Genesis 6 event (and I didn't include the many Scripture references that show their offspring were literally giant hybrids), it reveals those "sons of God" left the heavenly and came to earth, and not only that but leaving their own estate (per Jude 1:6) suggests they may have put on flesh and that's how they were able to impregnate flesh women. And the idea of their taking wives of flesh women doesn't just show a onetime mating, but actual co-habitation with flesh women with the Gen.6:2 concept of "wives".
I believe those angels that did that were jealous of those born in the flesh, particularly of the relationship between flesh man and woman. They lusted. So they somehow left the bounds God had set between the heavenly and this flesh world, and somehow... manifested with sexual organs.
As for normal angelic appearances written in God's Word, like the two angels sent to Lot in Genesis 19, I do not believe they need a flesh body in order to appear on earth, nor to eat our food, etc. I believe they manifested on earth with their angelic body, which looks like flesh, operates similar to flesh, but is really of that other dimension of the heavenly. I don't believe they have the ability for sexual relations with flesh woman, because that Jude 1 idea of leaving their "first estate" doesn't apply to them, but only to those angels which rebelled in Genesis 6. This is why per Jude 1 those "sons of God" in Genesis 6 that did that are reserved in chains until the Judgment Day.