Neo-Darwinian evolution is in trouble INSIDE the scientific community

[Obliquinaut]

This is basic doctrine. "The wages if SIN is death". This is why we all need a Savior.

ANd this has what exactly to do with evolution?

Sin is actually where defects, bacteria, viruses, diseases and all sorts of evil originated.

What an inspiring view of all of life on the planet!

Mutations are defects and so ironically, our science bases its core function on defects (that apparently they think some as beneficial) and nature ( mindless and corrupted as well).

-sigh- Word games. Don't get me wrong, I love word games. But I tend to prefer, shall we say more intellectual, wordgames.

 

[Obliquinaut]

I'm really sorry , you are really lost .

Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 has ascended unto heaven where they sit at the Right hand of the Father to come to judge the quick and the dead. All praise.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 has ascended unto heaven where they sit at the Right hand of the Father to come to judge the quick and the dead. All praise.

Psalms 14:1
Obliquinaut
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

If you are so smart tell me which come first , DNA or Proteins .

 

[pitabread]

Ok since God didn't create anything then explain me how universe began .

Huh? My post had nothing to do with the origin of the universe or what god did or didn't create.

Perhaps you quoted the wrong post?

 

[Obliquinaut]

Psalms 14:1
Obliquinaut
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

If you are so smart tell me which come first , DNA or Proteins .

From my understanding the core of the riddle is that you can't get DNA without proteins and you can't get proteins without DNA. BUT, interestingly enough, RNA can be a self-replicator without intermediary proteins! This leads to the "RNA World Hypothesis" in which the first replicators are RNA. It was found in the 1980's that RNA can catalyze some reactions like enzymes and can even reproduce itself.

(First life: The search for the first replicator)

The cool thing about all these is that they are predicated on complementary structures. Which at their core are simply based on molecular structure (shape, size, bond angle and which elements are presented to the complementary compound.)

The reality of the situation is more complex than simply assuming there's only one path to life and self-replicators.

I hope that helps.

 

[Ronald]

ANd this has what exactly to do with evolution?



What an inspiring view of all of life on the planet!



-sigh- Word games. Don't get me wrong, I love word games. But I tend to prefer, shall we say more intellectual, wordgames.

Ok, how about this word game, here's a list of words and phrases:
Great Tribulation
Fire and brimstone
Worldwide earthquake
Super volcanic eruptions
Asteroid(s) strike
Polar shift
Nuclear war
Death to over half the population
Judgment Day

Choose which words or phrases will effect the earth in the next 3 years. Keep in mind, these are cataclysmic events in scope and affect most of or at least 1/3 of the planet.
A. one
B. Several - list them
C. all
D. none
If you get the answer right, you win, if you don't, you lose. Of course this may take a while, lets just say by 2019, these things should have started by this time but not necessarily completed. It will be on record. Btw, this is your word game with yourself, I don't win either way it turns out.

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[Obliquinaut]

Ok, how about this word game, here's a list of words and phrases:

Great Tribulation
Fire and brimstone

Ronald...I'm an ATHEIST...I don't care about the issues you care about.

Worldwide earthquake
Super volcanic eruptions
Asteroid(s) strike

Those will be quite interesting. Not sure the "worldwide earthquake" is a "thing". But the supervolcano and asteroid strikes are kind of interesting.

Nuclear war

I'm very much against it!

Death to over half the population

ALSO very much against that!

Judgment Day

Again, of no interest to me.

Choose which words or phrases will effect the earth in the next 3 years. Keep in mind, these are cataclysmic events in scope and affect most of or at least 1/3 of the planet.

In the next 3 years? Probably none of them. Statistically speaking.

Maybe a nuclear conflict because our current administration (much beloved by Evangelicals I might add) likes to rattle the nuclear sabre a bit too much and is also mentally incompetent, but...

If you get the answer right, you win, if you don't, you lose.

Oh goody! Someone has come up with their own version of Pascal's Wager! Only less interesting!

Of course this may take a while, lets just say by 2019, these things should have started by this time but not necessarily completed. It will be on record. Btw, this is your word game with yourself, I don't win either way it turns out.

Will it help move more books on Amazon?

 

[pitabread]

Choose which words or phrases will effect the earth in the next 3 years.

Great Tribulation - Nope
Fire and brimstone - Nope
Worldwide earthquake - Definitely not
Super volcanic eruptions - What is a "super" volcanic eruption? But nope.
Asteroid(s) strike - Unlikely, albeit one that would cause any significant damage.
Polar shift - Define "polar shift"? If you're talking about a magnetic pole reversal, these have occurred before and will occur again.
Nuclear war - Between Trump, Putin and Kim Jong-un, this is probably the most likely of the list, but still nope.
Death to over half the population - See previous answer.
Judgment Day - Nope

Boy this game was fun, can we play another?

 

[Obliquinaut]

Super volcanic eruptions - What is a "super" volcanic eruption? But nope.

A super-volcano is an exceptionally large volcano (There are specific criteria to be considered a "Supervolcano", see HERE). The Yellowstone caldera, for instance, is likely a supervolcano. When it blew last it blanketed a large portion of the US. If it were to go again it could possibly do enough damage to the US and even have global impact that it would be very bad. The USGS has some good information on the likelihood of this happening.

 

[Astrophile]

What force holds the planets from just flying off into outer space, yet they remain in perfect orbit for thousands of years? You might say gravity. But then why aren't they pulled into the Sun?

Perhaps it is conservation of energy. The sum of the gravitational potential energy and the kinetic energy of a planet is constant, and there is no way for an orbiting planet to lose enough energy to fall into the Sun.

 

[Astrophile]

1. William Ockham
2. Francis Bacon
3. J Kepler
4. Rene Decartes
5. Blaise Pascal
6. Robert Boyle
7. Gottfried Leibniz
8. Issac Newton
9. Carlolus Linneas
10. Daniel Bernoulli
11. Louis Pasteur
12. Lord Kelvin
13. George Washington Carver
14. William Henry Bragg
15. Robert Millikan
16. John Boyd Orr
17. Agnes Gilberne
18. John Eccles
19. Max Plank
20. John Polkinghorne

You have mis-spelt the names of several of these scientists, including Descartes, Isaac Newton, Carolus Linnaeus, Agnes Giberne and Max Planck. You also omitted John Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945), who was a founder of the Evolution Protest Movement, invented the thermionic valve, and is the eponym of Fleming's left-hand and right-hand rules.

As for Agnes Giberne (1845-1939), I admit that I had never heard of her before now. According to Agnes Giberne - Wikipedia, she was 'a prolific British author who wrote fiction with moral or religious themes for children'. More interestingly, she was a founder member of the British Astronomical Association (a society of amateur astronomers), and wrote a popular illustrated book entitled Sun, Moon and Stars: Astronomy for Beginners (1879). She also wrote The World's Foundations: Geology for Beginners - http://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/TheWorldsFoundations . I haven't been able to find out anything about her having been a creationist.

In spite of Miss Giberne's achievements, she was a writer of popular books on science rather than a researcher in her own right, and she was clearly not a scientist on the same level as Boyle, Linnaeus, Newton, Pasteur, Lord Kelvin, or Max Planck. How did you find out about her?

By the way, I can't find anything about Professor Robert Fundi. Can you give me any more information about him, or a link to your quotation?

 

[Ronald]

Ronald...I'm an ATHEIST...I don't care about the issues you care about.



Those will be quite interesting. Not sure the "worldwide earthquake" is a "thing". But the supervolcano and asteroid strikes are kind of interesting.



I'm very much against it!



ALSO very much against that!



Again, of no interest to me.



In the next 3 years? Probably none of them. Statistically speaking.

Maybe a nuclear conflict because our current administration (much beloved by Evangelicals I might add) likes to rattle the nuclear sabre a bit too much and is also mentally incompetent, but...



Oh goody! Someone has come up with their own version of Pascal's Wager! Only less interesting!



Will it help move more books on Amazon?

A. Nuclear war possibility. Ok
No, this is not going to help me in any way. Actually it won't make you a winner either if you are right about nuclear war.
We'll put you down for (D.) None, statistically speaking, an educated response.

 

[Ronald]

Great Tribulation - Nope
Fire and brimstone - Nope
Worldwide earthquake - Definitely not
Super volcanic eruptions - What is a "super" volcanic eruption? But nope.
Asteroid(s) strike - Unlikely, albeit one that would cause any significant damage.
Polar shift - Define "polar shift"? If you're talking about a magnetic pole reversal, these have occurred before and will occur again.
Nuclear war - Between Trump, Putin and Kim Jong-un, this is probably the most likely of the list, but still nope.
Death to over half the population - See previous answer.
Judgment Day - Nope

Boy this game was fun, can we play another?

Well, Obliquinaut told me he liked word games, so I made one up.
Pita, I'll put you down also for (D.)
I've heard that the Japan earthquake caused a minor polar shift, don't know. What I was wondering is what could cause massive tsunamis that would sink 1/3 of the boats on the planet? I thought an asteroid hitting the sea or if this Planet X does a fly-by in October (supposedly 10x the size of earth), it could throw earth off it's axis and also create these huge tsunamis. Something of that magnitude would be included in the mix during the Great Tribulation. I'm not sure how valid any of it is, but if the U.S. ended up at the north pole within a month's time, that would not be good.

 

[Ronald]

You have mis-spelt the names of several of these scientists, including Descartes, Isaac Newton, Carolus Linnaeus, Agnes Giberne and Max Planck. You also omitted John Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945), who was a founder of the Evolution Protest Movement, invented the thermionic valve, and is the eponym of Fleming's left-hand and right-hand rules.

As for Agnes Giberne (1845-1939), I admit that I had never heard of her before now. According to Agnes Giberne - Wikipedia, she was 'a prolific British author who wrote fiction with moral or religious themes for children'. More interestingly, she was a founder member of the British Astronomical Association (a society of amateur astronomers), and wrote a popular illustrated book entitled Sun, Moon and Stars: Astronomy for Beginners (1879). She also wrote The World's Foundations: Geology for Beginners - http://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/TheWorldsFoundations . I haven't been able to find out anything about her having been a creationist.

In spite of Miss Giberne's achievements, she was a writer of popular books on science rather than a researcher in her own right, and she was clearly not a scientist on the same level as Boyle, Linnaeus, Newton, Pasteur, Lord Kelvin, or Max Planck. How did you find out about her?

By the way, I can't find anything about Professor Robert Fundi. Can you give me any more information about him, or a link to your quotation?

Sorry I copy and pasted the list from the web, noticing many famous scientists who were Christian, didn't know about her or did I check the spelling. Agnes probably shouldn't be in that list.
As for Professor Robert Fundi, he's from Italy. I read about him from a book called, Defeating Darwinism, by Phillip Johnson who was himself a Law Professor.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry I copy and pasted the list from the web, noticing many famous scientists who were Christian, didn't know about her or did I check the spelling. Agnes probably shouldn't be in that list.
As for Professor Robert Fundi, he's from Italy. I read about him from a book called, Defeating Darwinism, by Phillip Johnson who was himself a Law Professor.

You do realize that most of those Christian scientists were not creationists, don't you? There are still quite a few Christian scientists and very few of them are creationists.

One should not conflate the error of creationism with Christianity.

 

[xianghua]

I gave you an example and you failed to find one. Did you forget already?

where? i will even give you an example: if we will find a gene in 2 far species but not in some species between them (in other words: non hierarchy), then evolution is false?

 

[Subduction Zone]

where? i will even give you an example: if we will find a gene in 2 far species but not in some species between them (in other words: non hierarchy), then evolution is false?

Are you referring to the article that you did not understand?

Let's see your example before I ruse to a statement. And do you understand your failure with fossils earlier? If you can't understand your errors once they have been explained to you you will simply keep repeating them.

 

[Ronald]

You do realize that most of those Christian scientists were not creationists, don't you? There are still quite a few Christian scientists and very few of them are creationists.

One should not conflate the error of creationism with Christianity.

I do not know that for sure, neither do know what's in a man's heart. Many may keep it to themselves, especially in field of biology. Creation and Christ are inseparable, you'll find that out some day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do not know that for sure, neither do know what's in a man's heart. Many may keep it to themselves, especially in field of biology. Creation and Christ are inseparable, you'll find that out some day.

This is not a matter of "looking into someone's heart". When it comes to the sciences the beliefs of those active now is well known. As for your "list" those were not creationists. Creationism and Christianity are not one and the same.

 

[xianghua]

Are you referring to the article that you did not understand?

Let's see your example before I ruse to a statement. And do you understand your failure with fossils earlier? If you can't understand your errors once they have been explained to you you will simply keep repeating them.

i asked you a very simple question: if we will find a gene in 2 far species but not in some species between them (in other words: non hierarchy), then evolution is false? yes or no? it's very simple.