• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Neo-Darwinian evolution is in trouble INSIDE the scientific community

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Only a creationist would make such ignorant claims.

You are of course completely wrong. You have no explanation for the fact that the evidence only supports the theory of evolution.
 
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single

ok. do you think that a robot that made from organic components and have a self replicating system is evidence for design or a natural process?
 
Last edited:
Reactions: tyke
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single
Phenotypic variation driven by selective pressures is an example of evolution. So yes.

so even if humans and other animals created by a designer and not evolved from a common descent- then evolution is still true according to this criteria.
 
Upvote 0

Obliquinaut

Сделайте Америку прекрасной
Jun 30, 2017
2,091
1,635
61
Washington
✟35,334.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married

The frustrating thing about the arguments against the existence of transitional fossils (of which there are many) is like someone saying "there is no number between 0 and 1." And when shown 0.5 they say there is no number between 0 and 0.5. Repeat with 0.25, and on and on and on.

There are a number of transitional forms. Both in the fossil record and in the biochemical record. Why does this issue still come up?
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
thanks for the compliment.
It was an observation. Though since you do not even understand the basics of science why don't you try to learn? Your ignorance of the sciences cause you to make terrible error after terrible error.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
so even if humans and other animals created by a designer and not evolved from a common descent- then evolution is still true according to this criteria.
Um no, the problem for you is that the evidence clearly shows that life is the product of evolution. You need to find evidence for ID if you want to claim that it is real. The problem on your side is that there is no evidence for that nonsense by definition.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
ok. do you think that a robot that mamde from organic components and have a self replicating system is evidence for design or a natural process?
Of course not.

Did you even read your own post? In it you told us why this robot is not evidence for design.
 
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single

thanks for this diagram. what about diagrams that doesnt fit with this hierarchy, like this one?:

Figure4


Retroviruses, the Placenta, and the Genomic Junk Drawer

the syncytin gene was found in different groups of animals without an hierarchy. so we indeed found examples of non hierarchy. and if an hierarchy suppose to be evidence for evolution then non hierarchy is evidence against it.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single

You did not properly embed your image. I can't see how that one disagrees with the one that I posted at all. Please explain how this does not fit within the one that I posted:

 
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single
Of course not.

Did you even read your own post? In it you told us why this robot is not evidence for design.
so a robot isnt evidence for design if it's made from organic components and have a self replicating system. ok. great claim need a great evidence. do you have such an evidence? so far you gave the nested hierarchy claim. but as you can see above, we have found evidence against it.
 
Reactions: tyke
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single

Of course not. Do you still not see our error?

You obviously do not understand the concept of "logic" either.

And no, you did not find any evidence against nested hierarchies. You keep making claims that only underscore your lack of education. If you want to debate you need to learn the basics of science. And logic.
 
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single
You did not properly embed your image. I can't see how that one disagrees with the one that I posted at all. Please explain how this does not fit within the one that I posted:



take a look at the purple triangles. they appear in several groups of species but not in the species between them (for instance in a cow and a cat but not in a dolphin). this is clearly non hierarchy. so how evolutionists solve this non hierarchy? by claiming that those genes evolved independently at least several times.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single

Oh my! Read the article. Those are different capture events. There are many different ERV's in our genome. They were pointing out some key examples. ERV's form the same nested hierarchy by the way.

If you don't understand what you are doing you can only make yourself look bad, as you just did right there. I was really confused about how that image supported your claim and now I can see that it does not.
 
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single
Oh my! Read the article. Those are different capture events.

of course that they are different. even the same gene in both human and chimp is different. the problem here is that the same gene (with it's variations) found in different groups without any nested hierarchy. as we can predict under the design scenario.

If you don't understand what you are doing you can only make yourself look bad,

so far it's seems that it's only apply to you.
 
Reactions: 4x4toy
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single
By the way, your "robot" example always fails because you use the word "built". We humans can recognize things that are built.

you already said that a robot that made from organic components isnt evidence for design. i have nothing to say about that "logic".
 
Upvote 0