Negative experience with Joseph Prince ministry

[sayxs]

Hi folks,
I'm really hurt and disappointed.
At JP's site I posted a comment where I asked about how one can get healed when one struggles with doubts and I described my struggle with doubts and how hopeless I feel and so on.
The comments there require moderation. Days later I check back to see if the comment was allowed and it's not there. Obviously my comment was not "positive" or "uplifting" enough to be posted on his site.

I'm so disappointed. I have been listening to JP for years and also own some of his stuff and now I'm confused. I mean how can this be okay? Would Jesus also have blocked a comment where someone who is seeking help and advice describes his struggles? I'm really repelled by that. I don't know if the person who decided to not allow my comment has order to block such comments. Maybe Prince himself would always rather have blocked it because it wasn't happy enough, I don't know.
The only comments you find there are comments of praise and worship of how awesome Joseph Prince is. Such comments are granted but a comment of someone seeking help is not granted. This is pathetic!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Hi folks,
I'm really hurt and disappointed.
At JP's site I posted a comment where I asked about how one can get healed when one struggles with doubts and I described my struggle with doubts and how hopeless I feel and so on.
The comments there require moderation. Days later I check back to see if the comment was allowed and it's not there. Obviously my comment was not "positive" or "uplifting" enough to be posted on his site.

I'm so disappointed. I have been listening to JP for years and also own some of his stuff and now I'm confused. I mean how can this be okay? Would Jesus also have blocked a comment where someone who is seeking help and advice describes his struggles? I'm really repelled by that. I don't know if the person who decided to not allow my comment has order to block such comments. Maybe Prince himself would always rather have blocked it because it wasn't happy enough, I don't know.
The only comments you find there are comments of praise and worship of how awesome Joseph Prince is. Such comments are granted but a comment of someone seeking help is not granted. This is pathetic!

Man is bound to disappoint you. It does not matter if it is JP or some other man. Only God satisfies. May I suggest to you to turn off the t.v. ministries and wrap your mind into the Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Gospels. And, decide to believe what you read is the truth. Let the words of scripture minister to you. And don't blame JP, he is just a man.

 

[SharonL]

The happy comments bring in the $$$$ -

 

[abysmul]

My humble advice is remove any focus on Joseph Prince, and turn your eyes and heart to Christ.

 

[sayxs]

But I cannot find answers on my own.
I have struggled with questions about God and God's will for years.
Prince offered some answers which seemed to help me. But still I was
always unsure and worried what if prince is wrong or a false teacher?
And when such things happen I dont know what to believe anymore at all.

I cant just open the bible and find answers on my own this is my whole
problem!!! I only get questions and then wonder who is right, which interpretation is right?
It's just terrible. I am once again totally confused and unsure.
Now I dont know what to believe anymore at all. What if everything which Prince teaches and which I learned from him is just a lie? How shall I know?
I mean you can interpret so much into the bible. You can read so much into it. And I can never decide what is right. I cant deal with this anymore. I have suffered from this for years. Always asking who is right and always fearing being misled. I really cant cope with this stress anymore.

 

[wordsoflife]

Can I recommend some sermons to you. They are from Calvary Chapel (non-denominational) and they go through the entire bible. I don't agree with everything they teach (like their eschatology) but I think these sermons could help you build a solid foundation for your faith.

Click Here

Just click on the book of the bible you want to study and it will pull up a list of sermons.

 

[SharonL]

I have heard Prince - his messages seem fine - but they have to have money to operate - it is expensive. He may not even know that it is happening. I would not lose faith in God or the Word because of this - just don't put all your faith in what he says without backing it up with the Bible.

This is where you look to the Holy Spirit - talk to Him like a friend - go over what is being taught and ask the Holy Spirit if it is right - you will feel peace if it is right. The Holy Spirit will not lead you in the wrong direction.

This really is a good way to learn not to put all your faith in one teaching. The Word you want is from God and not man - but we need man to help us understand and there is nothing wrong with that.

Don't be to upset over it and don't let it dampen your faith - I don't have a church family right now - we moved and have tried several and have not found one - they all seem so dry and no spirit - so we listen to 2 on TV (both spirit filled) and then we do our Bible study and we have learned more of the Bible than years of sitting in church, but the secret is letting the Holy Spirit guide you.

If you are not suppose to listen to Prince anymore, the Holy Spirit will make your spirit unsettled (sorting out your feeling of rejection and the true word) - if you feel at peace with him, then continue on, if not - then search for another person and ask the Holy Spirit to give you peace on the one that will help you. But don't let this turn you away - only to draw closer.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

But I cannot find answers on my own.
I have struggled with questions about God and God's will for years.
Prince offered some answers which seemed to help me. But still I was
always unsure and worried what if prince is wrong or a false teacher?
And when such things happen I dont know what to believe anymore at all.

I cant just open the bible and find answers on my own this is my whole
problem!!! I only get questions and then wonder who is right, which interpretation is right?
It's just terrible. I am once again totally confused and unsure.
Now I dont know what to believe anymore at all. What if everything which Prince teaches and which I learned from him is just a lie? How shall I know?
I mean you can interpret so much into the bible. You can read so much into it. And I can never decide what is right. I cant deal with this anymore. I have suffered from this for years. Always asking who is right and always fearing being misled. I really cant cope with this stress anymore.

Well, are you saved? If not, do you want to be saved? If you want to be saved, cry out to Jesus and ask Him to save you. No one except Jesus can give you the answers you want and need. If you are double minded about everything, nobody can help you. Trust the Word of God.

 

[abysmul]

But I cannot find answers on my own.

Keep reading the Bible, keep praying for guidance.

Now, I personally would recommend you spend some time here:

Ravi Zacharias International Ministries - YouTube

Ravi Zacharias is a Christian Apologist, he's a good man.

 

[rgleason]

My humble advice is remove any focus on Joseph Prince, and turn your eyes and heart to Christ.

And that would be Joseph Princes' advice, also.

 

[Makoto47]

That's really unfortunate. I actually really like Joseph Prince. I wonder who runs that site, and if he's even aware of that.

 

[CGL1023]

Hi folks,
I'm really hurt and disappointed.
At JP's site I posted a comment where I asked about how one can get healed when one struggles with doubts and I described my struggle with doubts and how hopeless I feel and so on.
The comments there require moderation. Days later I check back to see if the comment was allowed and it's not there. Obviously my comment was not "positive" or "uplifting" enough to be posted on his site.

I'm so disappointed. I have been listening to JP for years and also own some of his stuff and now I'm confused. I mean how can this be okay? Would Jesus also have blocked a comment where someone who is seeking help and advice describes his struggles? I'm really repelled by that. I don't know if the person who decided to not allow my comment has order to block such comments. Maybe Prince himself would always rather have blocked it because it wasn't happy enough, I don't know.
The only comments you find there are comments of praise and worship of how awesome Joseph Prince is. Such comments are granted but a comment of someone seeking help is not granted. This is pathetic!

When I see you ask about getting healed and you admit to confusion, you are admitting to double mindedness. You are in a situation of being a "ye of little faith", as Jesus often said. Faith is the language of the New Covenant and you won't receive anything from God without faith, Heb 11:6.

You also mention doubt (double mindedness) and hopelessness (unbelief in God). I would say Joseph Prince, he has not taught you very well. I am taking your side against JP because I believe that TV preachers waste people's time with kindergarten and grade school level material. You say you have spent years with him. To me, it is no wonder that he would not want your posts made public.

People before me have rightly pointed out that no one should be man-centered because you will be betrayed every time. This situation is as fragile and unreliable as relying on feelings or emotions. Remain Christ-centered in the extreme.

PM me if you like.

 

[Norah63]

As to the original post, who is it you are looking to answer you?
Did you really want answer from Joseph Prince? Handmaid told it true, reread that post. If you want salvation and all the benefits of that, come to the one who will help you. Only the Lord Jesus is the voice you need. Many men and women may encourage you, but only you can let go of your doubts and fears.
The words of our mouth can snare us many times. Are you speaking (posting) faith filled words ? Or words of doubt and dispare? Check the heart, for out of it comes the words of the mouth.
Taste and see that the Lord is good. It is your choice, and your walk that counts for you.

 

[sayxs]

Hello,
if I could just go and find my own answers to all my questions I would have done so YEARS ago. But I dont know how. I have never heard God.So what do I do? I have been to many pastors for prayer and hope someone could help me or give me real advice and nobody did or could. They prayed and then sent me back home.
And asking questions if I'm really saved do not help me. As I said I have always been struggling with fears and doubts! This means I also doubt being saved. I doubt many things. Normal people do not understand this. They hear a message and maybe feel encouraged. I hear a message and then I am full of questions and fears. How do I know that I am saved? How do I know that I really have real faith? How do I know if I doubted in the heart or in the mind?
What if I pray and then doubt, what do I do then?

Do you struggle with such questions? I have been for years and NOBODY could help me.
Pastors tell me stuff like you need more faith you need to study more you need to confess more you need to do this and that and this and that and NONE of this even touches on these issues!!!

All studying does NOT even touch on these doubts and fears. They simply come and what do I do then?
The more I hear in sermons that I must not doubt or I can forget the more anxious I become. It is a vicious circle. I have spent years listening to thousands of sermons always hoping for the one solution which would set me free but I never found it.

I dont know what to do anymore. You cant even imagine the mental agony I have experienced and still experience almost daily when I look at my situation and how hopeless I feel towards it. If God needs faith and I just dont have it (anymore) or maybe never had enough then what the heck can I do? Struggling for more faith does not work!!
But this is all advice I get. You need more faith, you need to study more.

I'm always torn between opinions. I can hear 100 messages about God wanting to heal and then I hear 1 message which doubts healing and immediately I am totally confused again. It has always been this way.
I have no idea how I could get prayers answered this way.

Why was I never able to hear God or experience Him even though I wanted to? I have no freaking idea.
But it hurts to even think about this. Every time I think about this I became despaired. I dont know what to do anymore.
Some may say I have to seek God more. But HOW????? I tried to seek God and didnt know how and always ended up despaired and in my unstable situation becoming despaired is very dangerous.

 

[SharonL]

If you ask Jesus into your heart to be the Lord of your life, the Bible states that your name was written in the Lamb's Book of Life and you are washed in the Blood of Jesus - God sees your sins no more.

If you sin, and the Bible says we all come short, God does not erase your name from the Lamb's book of Life, you repent and go forward - you don't have to start all over again.

Just live your live one step at a time, led by the Holy Spirit (when you ask the Holy Spirit to lead you - He will not lead you in the wrong direction) you will have peace about what you are doing - if you feel your spirit unsettled, then God is tapping you on the shoulder saying 'go another way' - just tune in to the leading of the Holy Spirit, ready your Bible and talk to Jesus, He is as close as your shadow and a heartbeat away - you are never alone.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Dear Sayxs,
All that is required is a firm decision from you. Decide in your heart that Jesus died for the sins of the world, including you. Decide to give Jesus your heart, and your life. Decide to believe what the Bible says about being saved. Now turn to Jesus and He will free you. Look at these verses.

Romans 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


It is a matter of saying "I will believe this." Hold these verses in your heart whenever you start to doubt. Jesus wants to save you, and He wants you to know you are saved. These verses will cement this fact into your heart. You will grow from this spot, and the Lord Jesus will take up residence in you as you surrender. Start talking to Jesus. Just start talking, holding a conversation telling Him all about it. He hears you. He has your answers.

 

[sayxs]

Hi,
I have talked to God a lot in the past. Always me talking about stuff on my mind and problems and so on but after a while I got frustrated. I cant always talk about the same things. I dont even know what to say anymore. I experience so many traumatic things often times I really dont even know what to say. I have so much pain and I cant even express it anymore.

My problem is that I just dont know how I could ever receive anything from God when I struggle with doubts. For example Jesus said you must not doubt in your heart. But when I pray then I always immediately get these doubts and questions like how do I know I really have faith or what if I doubted in my heart?
Then I'm automatically paralyzed and feel like my prayer is useless.
Years ago I wanted to get healed from something small. I prayed and after that I was bombared with so many doubts. I didnt even know if my prayer was still active or if my doubts had ruined it. It was horrible.

And now my situation is so much worse. I have so many health issues. I suffer from severe depression. I feel totally hopeless. I know that unless I can get a miracle from God I'm pretty much done. No doctor can help me or even finds what things are wrong with me. I only know that many things are wrong with me and within just a few years my health has gotten so much worse and I'm still only 30 and yet I feel terrible.

For years I struggled to build up faith in healing to no avail. I studied and proclaimed and listened to sermons. NONE of this helps with the fundamental doubt issues. No matter how much I study the doubts are not affected. I know as soon as I tried to pray for healing the same doubts would come again and shake me and what do I do then?
Then I'm alone not knowing what to do. I have noone would could believe for me or even tell me what to do.

As I said what do you do when you need healing and simply cannot get enough faith together?

Or then there is also this pure faith teaching which is also horrible for someone like me.They say the size of faith doesnt matter but it has to be pure which means you must not doubt or you can forget it. This stuff only makes my struggles worse.

I can find no relief or hope in this.

 

[Tigger45]

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[CGL1023]

Hi,

To take up one point of your dilemma, you say, "I don't know how I could ever receive anything from God when I struggle with doubts".

See Heb 11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please Him (God), for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. (NKJV)"

God requires us to come to Him, to have relationship with Him or to receive from Him by faith only -- no other way.

See 2 Cor 10:3-6, "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled."

These verses tell us to cast down arguments and cast down high things (idols) that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. It further says that we are to take control of our thoughts (limit them and don't accept any old thought the devil presents you). Importantly it says punish all disobedience which would be to bind the strongman (devil) who is placing these thoughts where you can be tempted by them. James 4:7, "... Resist the devil and he will flee from you (sometimes stated, he must flee from you).

These two sets of verses are starting points to master first. Others may say it differently and I wouldn't disagree but these rank high in importance for what you're dealing with.

 

[Alithis]

Man is bound to disappoint you. It does not matter if it is JP or some other man. Only God satisfies. May I suggest to you to turn off the t.v. ministries and wrap your mind into the Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Gospels. And, decide to believe what you read is the truth. Let the words of scripture minister to you. And don't blame JP, he is just a man.

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