Needing justification for morality

[Dave Ellis]

It is only moral if he wants to have himself burnt. Nobody is burning him except himself.

Um... no? I don't believe anyone would choose to have themselves burnt for all eternity.

 

[Dave Ellis]

No more rational argument?
If so, you can be dismissed.

He's making valid points, your perspective is rather bizarre (to put it as nicely as possible) on these issues.

 

[Davian]

What do you mean does God not have a dictionary.

Do you not think God has a dictionary?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Hey, do not be hypocritical. Today, many many "free person" are working exactly the same way.

No, not exactly the same way.

Free persons do have to work for a living, and there is no avoiding that unless you are sitting on enough to retire. However, it is possible to quit your job and work elsewhere, and even to change careers. There is a great deal more freedom than slavery.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[DogmaHunter]

Is it moral to burn someone for eternity because they don't love you?

Havent you figured out Juve's "moral compass" yet? Basically ANYTHING goes as long as his god does it / condones it / commands it.

For some reason, his god has a get-out-of-fail-free-card.

 

[DogmaHunter]

DogmaHunter, are you familiar with the Moral Argument for the Existence of God?

The one formulated as:

1. If God does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist.

2. Objective moral values and duties exist.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Yes, I'm familiar with William Lane Craig's fallacious nonsense.
Here, I'll show how it's nonsense:


1. If the cookiemonster does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist.

2. Objective moral values and duties exist.

3. Therefore, the cookiemonster exists

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is only moral if he wants to have himself burnt. Nobody is burning him except himself.

Yes, yes....

And if a mafia boss asks me for my wallet while informing me that I will get a bullet in my brain if I don't comply, then I will have committed suicide when I use my "free will" to "choose" to not hand over my wallet.

Illogical nonsense is illogical nonsense.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No more rational argument?
If so, you can be dismissed.

There's not much I can say to someone who defends genocide and slavery. You are in no position to call anyone "irrational" or "immoral". You have no understanding of both terms.

I can't reason with someone who abbandonned and sacrificed his reasoning abilities.

I can't discuss morality with someone who's idea of morality is just blind obedience to a feared perceived authority.

 

[madaz]

If I were an humanist, I can easily defend a moral action which is called murder.

Do you comprehend the humanist manifesto's?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yes, I'm familiar with William Lane Craig's fallacious nonsense.
Here, I'll show how it's nonsense:


1. If the cookiemonster does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist.

2. Objective moral values and duties exist.

3. Therefore, the cookiemonster exists

SWEET! I always loved that guy when I was a kid

 

[madaz]

Therefore, the cookiemonster exists

Yay! Praise the cookiemonster!!

 

[juvenissun]

Um... no? I don't believe anyone would choose to have themselves burnt for all eternity.

You ARE choosing it right now.

You choose to reject God. Not God wants to burn you.
The fire is there, you can choose not to jump in. No one is pushing you.

 

[juvenissun]

He's making valid points, your perspective is rather bizarre (to put it as nicely as possible) on these issues.

Bizarre to you is fine, as long as it is logic.

Many understandings in Christianity are very bizarre to non-believers.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You ARE choosing it right now.

You choose to reject God. Not God wants to burn you.
The fire is there, you can choose not to jump in. No one is pushing you.

Yeah, just like you are choosing to burn in islamic hell.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Bizarre to you is fine, as long as it is logic.

Many understandings in Christianity are very bizarre to non-believers.

The thing is... Your "understandings" are even bizarre to other christians.

No true scottsman in 3...2...1...

 

[juvenissun]

No, not exactly the same way.

Free persons do have to work for a living, and there is no avoiding that unless you are sitting on enough to retire. However, it is possible to quit your job and work elsewhere, and even to change careers. There is a great deal more freedom than slavery.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I said, a slave can quit too, when the contract is up to renew.
A slave would sign a life-time contract to a good master. No surprise.
A professional patriot soldier works the same way.

Slavery is a beautiful system.

 

[Dave Ellis]

You ARE choosing it right now.

You choose to reject God. Not God wants to burn you.
The fire is there, you can choose not to jump in. No one is pushing you.

No I'm not, I hereby choose to not burn for the rest of eternity.


I also did not choose to reject god, I simply do not believe he exists. What you believe or do not believe is not a choice. You can not choose to believe Lord Krishna exists, or Darth Vader. Likewise, you can't choose to believe the sun doesn't exist.

You believe what you have been convinced is true, and you don't believe that which you have not been convinced is true. Choice is not a factor.

*note* you can choose to profess a belief in god, but that doesn't change the fact that you don't believe in him.

So, if I am to be burnt for all eternity if I don't believe, then it's up to god to provide the evidence that he exists. He must know what it would take to convince me, and to this point, he has chosen not to provide it.

Therefore, he is making the choice to send me to hell.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Bizarre to you is fine, as long as it is logic.

Many understandings in Christianity are very bizarre to non-believers.

I didn't say it was logical.... I said it was a bizarre perspective.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I said, a slave can quit too, when the contract is up to renew.
A slave would sign a life-time contract to a good master. No surprise.
A professional patriot soldier works the same way.

Slavery is a beautiful system.

You can't quit if you are owned for life. Your contract never ends.

Any self respecting slave would do whatever he can to escape. Also, comparing soldiers to slaves is nonsense. Being a soldier is a career.

 

[juvenissun]

Yes, yes....

And if a mafia boss asks me for my wallet while informing me that I will get a bullet in my brain if I don't comply, then I will have committed suicide when I use my "free will" to "choose" to not hand over my wallet.

Illogical nonsense is illogical nonsense.

No. If your analogy is a valid one, it would be like this:

A mafia boss asked your money and say: Give me your money, or you will never see me again.

It is funny, right? Because you replaced God by the mafia boss, so everything followed is reversed.

So, the right one is this: Obey God, or you will never see God again.

Talk about logic, you are not good at all. Humble yourself.