need some help regarding old testiment law

[raz!]

sorry if ive put this in the wrong place, i wasnt quite sure of the right section (feel free to move it )

anyways

me and my christian friend were talking about whether eating pork is a sin or not.
i said it says it clearly in leviticus that we shouldnt eat pork, and he bluntly said ''it doesnt'' when in black and white i can see it.

leviticus 11:7-8

7The pig, for even though it has divided hoofs and is cloven-footed, it does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.



we didnt have a bible infront of us but obviously he'd never read this section and wouldnt accept it.

and then he said we dont follow what the old testament says, only the new. to which i said ''in that case, homosexuality isnt a sin''

and he replied with ''in leviticus it says that man should not lie with another man''

how hypocritical is that really?
you cant pick and choose which sections of the bible apply to your lifestyle.

anyways, that isnt my point..
ive since read other sections which say eating pork is ok.


and its just confusing!!

i cant bring myself to eat pork at all since i read it, but i wanted to hear other peoples opinions on the matter...

and why some people just do what suits them

 

[Standing Up]

1 Timothy 1:10 whoremongers, sodomites, men-stealers, liars, perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse,

 

[visionary]

This is the best sermon I have seen on the subject.

 

[ThomasDa]

anyways, that isnt my point..
ive since read other sections which say eating pork is ok.

You may have read that somewhere, but you didn't read it in the Bible.

 

[Willtor]

sorry if ive put this in the wrong place, i wasnt quite sure of the right section (feel free to move it )

anyways

me and my christian friend were talking about whether eating pork is a sin or not.
i said it says it clearly in leviticus that we shouldnt eat pork, and he bluntly said ''it doesnt'' when in black and white i can see it.

leviticus 11:7-8

7The pig, for even though it has divided hoofs and is cloven-footed, it does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.



we didnt have a bible infront of us but obviously he'd never read this section and wouldnt accept it.

and then he said we dont follow what the old testament says, only the new. to which i said ''in that case, homosexuality isnt a sin''

and he replied with ''in leviticus it says that man should not lie with another man''

how hypocritical is that really?
you cant pick and choose which sections of the bible apply to your lifestyle.

anyways, that isnt my point..
ive since read other sections which say eating pork is ok.


and its just confusing!!

i cant bring myself to eat pork at all since i read it, but i wanted to hear other peoples opinions on the matter...

and why some people just do what suits them

You might read the seventh chapter of Mark. Jesus declares all foods clean, emphasizing that what goes into a man does not make him unclean, but what comes out (citing fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, and folly). The implication is that the clean/unclean distinction had not been made because there was anything intrinsic to the foods.

 

[ThomasDa]

You might read the seventh chapter of Mark. Jesus declares all foods clean, emphasizing that what goes into a man does not make him unclean, but what comes out (citing fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, and folly). The implication is that the clean/unclean distinction had not been made because there was anything intrinsic to the foods.

Jesus does not speak of unclean meat as food.
He is talking about eating with hands that are not ceremonially clean.
Jesus is not talking about eating vultures, rats, dogs, pigs and sea creatures that don't have both fins and scales.
There is never any place in the Bible that says or makes these detestable things clean or good for food.

 

[squint]

sorry if ive put this in the wrong place, i wasnt quite sure of the right section (feel free to move it )

anyways

me and my christian friend were talking about whether eating pork is a sin or not.
i said it says it clearly in leviticus that we shouldnt eat pork, and he bluntly said ''it doesnt'' when in black and white i can see it.

leviticus 11:7-8

7The pig, for even though it has divided hoofs and is cloven-footed, it does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.



we didnt have a bible infront of us but obviously he'd never read this section and wouldnt accept it.

and then he said we dont follow what the old testament says, only the new. to which i said ''in that case, homosexuality isnt a sin''

and he replied with ''in leviticus it says that man should not lie with another man''

how hypocritical is that really?
you cant pick and choose which sections of the bible apply to your lifestyle.

anyways, that isnt my point..
ive since read other sections which say eating pork is ok.


and its just confusing!!

i cant bring myself to eat pork at all since i read it, but i wanted to hear other peoples opinions on the matter...

and why some people just do what suits them

Both of those 'commands' are meant to be understood in ways not associated with 'the flesh.'

 

[MamaZ]

The law was nailed to the cross.

 

[ThomasDa]

The law was nailed to the cross.

Which Law? Most people have no idea.

 

[polishbeast]

9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." 14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."



Acts 10:9-15

 

[ThomasDa]

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." Acts 10:9-15

We need to remember Jesus taught in parables, not to make things plain but to conceal things.
Things are not always what they seem at first glance.
Clean and unclean meat is not what is being taught about here.

Several years after “The New Covenant” was established we come to an account in Act. 10, that should explain a lot about whether we should observe God’s Law about clean and unclean meat.

Starting in Act. 10: 9b we read that; Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

Now Peter did not jump to the same conclusion that many do today. In verse 14 Peter says, [and I quote] “Not so Lord!” Now you better be pretty sure when you say “Not so Lord!” Telling God He is wrong is not a small thing. Continuing now in verse 14 Peter says; “For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
This happened three times and each time Peter said “Not so Lord.” I ain’t eatin’ that nasty stuff.

Since Peter knew, that the Law about clean and unclean meat had not been done away, he began to wonder what in the world this vision meant. Some reading this might wonder the same thing. If we keep reading, when we get to verse 28, we find that the vision was not about clean and unclean meat. It was about not calling any man “common or unclean.”

In verses 29 through 32 we read this experience Peter went through was as a result of Cornelius’ prayers.

If we read far enough we find that this was God’s way of teaching His Church that Gentiles could also receive eternal life, something these folks had not considered.
Read on through verse 44 and then on through Act. 11:18.

So, along with teaching us that God will call all men and that we are no better than anyone else, it also confirms that God’s Law about clean and unclean meat is still in force.

 

[Willtor]

Jesus does not speak of unclean meat as food.
He is talking about eating with hands that are not ceremonially unclean.
Jesus is not talking about eating vultures, rats, dogs, pigs and sea creatures that don't have both fins and scales.
There is never any place in the Bible that says or makes these detestable things clean or good for food.

Okay.

Anyway, Raz, I'd suggest reading that passage.

 

[MamaZ]

Which Law? Most people have no idea.

We are not unclean by eating pork. LOL.

 

[ThomasDa]

We are not unclean by eating pork. LOL.

The question was "which laws were nailed to the cross."
Is that your final answer??? You have no idea, do you???
By the way, it's not an LOL matter.

 

[lawtonfogle]

You may have read that somewhere, but you didn't read it in the Bible.

Peter's vision, unclean food on a blanket being lowered from the heavens? Of course, maybe he was just really hungry...

 

[lawtonfogle]

We need to remember Jesus taught in parables, not to make things plain but to conceal things.
Things are not always what they seem at first glance.
Clean and unclean meat is not what is being taught about here.

Several years after “The New Covenant” was established we come to an account in Act. 10, that should explain a lot about whether we should observe God’s Law about clean and unclean meat.

Starting in Act. 10: 9b we read that; Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

Now Peter did not jump to the same conclusion that many do today. In verse 14 Peter says, [and I quote] “Not so Lord!” Now you better be pretty sure when you say “Not so Lord!” Telling God He is wrong is not a small thing. Continuing now in verse 14 Peter says; “For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
This happened three times and each time Peter said “Not so Lord.” I ain’t eatin’ that nasty stuff.

Since Peter knew, that the Law about clean and unclean meat had not been done away, he began to wonder what in the world this vision meant. Some reading this might wonder the same thing. If we keep reading, when we get to verse 28, we find that the vision was not about clean and unclean meat. It was about not calling any man “common or unclean.”

In verses 29 through 32 we read this experience Peter went through was as a result of Cornelius’ prayers.

If we read far enough we find that this was God’s way of teaching His Church that Gentiles could also receive eternal life, something these folks had not considered.
Read on through verse 44 and then on through Act. 11:18.

So, along with teaching us that God will call all men and that we are no better than anyone else, it also confirms that God’s Law about clean and unclean meat is still in force.

Oh yes... it couldn't have been that Peter was having a little trouble accepting something which had for all his life been taught as a abominable sin. And Jesus speaks in parables... when He was walking the earth with His earthly ministry. This is after that ministry was passed onto His followers.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Which Law? Most people have no idea.

There is more than one of The Law? Please, do tell.

 

[visionary]

Peter understood the vision.. and explained it himself... I should can no man unclean...

 

[MamaZ]

The question was "which laws were nailed to the cross."
Is that your final answer??? You have no idea, do you???
By the way, it's not an LOL matter.

The OT law and commandments were nailed to the cross. We now life by faith and not by the letter of the Law. Pork does not make one unclean. Now if one cannot eat pork without faith to them it is sin. The food itself is not sin,.

 

[katholikos]

sorry if ive put this in the wrong place, i wasnt quite sure of the right section (feel free to move it )

anyways

me and my christian friend were talking about whether eating pork is a sin or not.
i said it says it clearly in leviticus that we shouldnt eat pork, and he bluntly said ''it doesnt'' when in black and white i can see it.

leviticus 11:7-8

7The pig, for even though it has divided hoofs and is cloven-footed, it does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.



we didnt have a bible infront of us but obviously he'd never read this section and wouldnt accept it.

and then he said we dont follow what the old testament says, only the new. to which i said ''in that case, homosexuality isnt a sin''

and he replied with ''in leviticus it says that man should not lie with another man''

how hypocritical is that really?
you cant pick and choose which sections of the bible apply to your lifestyle.

anyways, that isnt my point..
ive since read other sections which say eating pork is ok.


and its just confusing!!

i cant bring myself to eat pork at all since i read it, but i wanted to hear other peoples opinions on the matter...

and why some people just do what suits them

The answer to your question is basically the same thing I tell the SDA's regarding their insistance on Saturday Sabbath worship:

I tell the SDA's that ritual Saturday worship was instuited by Moses, and it was a regulation of the Mosaic and Davidic covenants. We are not entered into those covenants and we are not subject to those regulations. We are entered into the coventant established by Christ, and ritual Saturday worship is not a regulation of Christ's covenant.

Okay, the same goes for your pork regulation: It is a regulation of the Mosaic and Davidic covenants. We are not entered into those covenants and we are not subject to those regulations. We are entered into the coventant established by Christ, and He never commanded that we follow such rules.

Different rules for different groups and their respective covenants.