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Yesterday my girlfriend of two and a half years and I discussed our relationship for several hours and came to the conclusion that we would take a “break.”
I met her in a college course that we had together and I was immediately attracted to her. I was very happy to finally find somebody who had the same interests and wasn’t the typical idiot college partier. We started dating just a week after we first talked in class. From then on we were attached at the hip and didn’t really do anything without each other. No, we never lived together… thankfully we were smarter than that. Cohabitation outside of marriage seems to be the norm today. I brought her home and she met the family, and they immediately fell in love with her as well.
I made a mistake in the relationship early on. I was raised catholic, while she was a devout Christian who attended church 3 or 4 times a week, went to church group activities, and bible studies (it was her life). I on the other hand had close to no relationship with God. I attended private catholic school from kindergarten through my senior year, and was always taught that my good actions along with baptism were what saved me. The mistake that I made was that I steered her away from her personal relationship with God. Within a couple of months of us dating I had completely talked her out of having her faith consume her entire life. I made it clear to her (through my views at the time) that God doesn’t want us to worship him 24/7, instead he wants us to live our lives and be happy.
As we kept spending more and more time with each other, the guilt began to take over. It wasn’t until over a year later that I realized she wasn’t happy, and that something needed to change. Although her faith was no longer at the forefront of her existence, it was still at her side influencing both of us. I gradually woke up and started to see the light. We began attending Wednesday night worship together at a local “non-denominational” Calvary chapel. This was a completely new experience for me, because I was never taught in all the years I attended Catholic church that God wants us to have a personal relationship with him.
Over the last year we have attended church more regularly and I have read from the bible for answers fairly often. I am 24 she is 23, and I will be finishing up my double major this school year and will move onto graduate school. She recently left town and moved 4 hours away to attend a nursing program which lasts 3 years. We both have 3 years left in school before we begin our careers. We were both very confident that we would remain together and that the long distance relationship wouldn’t stand in the way of our love for each other.
We both love each other with all of our hearts and have no interest in seeing other people. The problem is that she was beginning to feel like too much responsibility was put on her shoulders (as did I, but I didn’t want to admit it). After only a couple weeks of her being gone, and us talking every day, she claimed that I was being clingy and that she needed some space. I was a little insulted considering I wanted to talk to her once a day and that was it. I agreed to ease off a bit, and a few more weeks passed without nearly as much communication (I only talked to her every other day or so). By the time yesterday came I felt as though we were already distancing and I decided to bring her flowers and surprise her by driving down and visiting. When I got there she was thrilled to see me, so I know she loves me in addition to the fact that she tells me how she feels regularly.
After hours of talking she made it clear that she needed a break. She is extremely independent, she has supported herself financially since she was 17. Her mother is a little crazy and is already on her 3rd marriage, which adds to the logic of why she may be scared for our relationship.
I am writing this because I was hoping others with experience in this area can lend me their thoughts, because I feel very alone and confused. I have no interest whatsoever in finding somebody else, neither does she, but she made it clear that she needs a break. We both discussed how we each need to find ourselves and be happy with ourselves before we can be happy with each other. This of course comes with having a personal, healthy relationship with God. I am absolutely in agreement with her on this, because I have issues I need to work out, such as respecting and loving myself. She has the same problems.
What scares me is that I could put all my eggs in one basket by choosing to hold onto her, which I am perfectly happy doing, and then 3 or 4 years down the road realize that she doesn’t want to continue the relationship. This really scares me because if we don’t work out in the end, I would have missed out on a number of opportunities at other relationships. The fact is I don’t want another relationship, and neither does she.
Any suggestions on what road I should take would be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to hear the female point of view. Sorry for the long post, but I figure that those who would be willing to read something this long may also be willing to contribute a helping hand. thanks.
 
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Hello there,

Ive been through this where I was so close to someone and they said they wanted a break... If she shares the same views as you which she does based on what your saying "She doesnt want another relationship" just hang in there and before you know it she will come back to you and everything will be the same... You dont have to worry about 4 or 5 years down the line and her changing her mind because she shares the same views as you and shes in it till the end =) Based on my limited experience, the break phase usually lasts about 1-2 weeks.. Dont smother her and be too needy even though its ok to feel needy. Just tell her Hi every now and then.. Believe me, 1-2 the most would be 3 weeks and everything will be back to normal... Dont sit around wondering, because that is unhealthy.. believe me ive been through it and i even lost sleep... Find something to do, work on your hobbies, pursue your goals and before you know it.. break time is over ! =)
 
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Thank you very much for the advice. You made a very good point stating that we have the same views and that she'll eventually come around (I hope). I would also like to thank you for giving me a specific amount of time to expect. Even though there is no way of knowing how long it will take, you have helped to restore my optimism.
 
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Hello there,

If she shares the same views as you which she does based on what your saying "She doesnt want another relationship" just hang in there and before you know it she will come back to you and everything will be the same...

Brother, I have to admonish you for giving this fella false hope.

"Views/Values" really have nothing to do with dating, it's all about who flips her attraction "switches" and her bf currently isn't doing it, and I'd wager an interloper is.



Based on my limited experience, the break phase usually lasts about 1-2 weeks..

Based on my experience, the break is usually the nail in the coffin, though there are exceptions naturally.


Dont smother her and be too needy even though its ok to feel needy.


THIS!


Dont sit around wondering, because that is unhealthy.. believe me ive been through it and i even lost sleep... Find something to do, work on your hobbies, pursue your goals.

And this!
 
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The only "interlopers" who are influencing her are her sister and brother-in-law who she currently lives with. That is another factor I failed to mention previously. She sees how unhappy her sister is in marriage (after only three years) while thinking of her mothers 3rd marriage and believes there is no way she wants that, which is completely understandable. Your false observation that she may be interested in somebody else was not only insulting but completely off topic. When I said that neither of us have interest in another, the statement wasn't based off of denial and a false sense of hope. I would appreciate the opinions of women as I said earlier.
 
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From then on we were attached at the hip and didn’t really do anything without each other.

Here's some advise I hope you take:

Never ever do that again. I know how it feels to be dating a new chick your into, much like hearing a new song you LOVE, you have to replay it 10,000 times, cuz you love it so much---right?

As the man in the relationship, you have to show control. Plus you need to give her the privilege of missing you.

Remember, women want a mystery and a challenge.



I brought her home and she met the family, and they immediately fell in love with her as well.

How soon after you started dating did you do this?


The mistake that I made was that I steered her away from her personal relationship with God.

Do not believe this lie, you can make someone else do something they don't have a desire to do.

Granted, you were probably a negative INFLUENCE on her relationship with God, but did you stop her from going to church/nurturing her relationship with God? No, she made that decision on her own.

This was a completely new experience for me, because I was never taught in all the years I attended Catholic church that God wants us to have a personal relationship with him.

Regardless of where you and your gf end up, I hope you continue on this path.

We were both very confident that we would remain together and that the long distance relationship wouldn’t stand in the way of our love for each other.

LDR's have a terrible track record.

After only a couple weeks of her being gone, and us talking every day, she claimed that I was being clingy and that she needed some space.


Dude, trust me there is either another guy in the picture or she wants to talk to other guys. No way around it, brother.



I was a little insulted considering I wanted to talk to her once a day and that was it. I agreed to ease off a bit, and a few more weeks passed without nearly as much communication (I only talked to her every other day or so). By the time yesterday came I felt as though we were already distancing and I decided to bring her flowers and surprise her by driving down and visiting.

Women should be chasing the guy in this situation, not the other way around!

You should of went "No Contact:

No Emails
No Texts
No Calls

Let her miss you, wondering what your up to.

Dude, flowers? I know the church how utterly failed men and women when it comes how to be successful with opposite sex, but gifts are reserved for when women behave, not to buy their affections.



After hours of talking she made it clear that she needed a break. She is extremely independent, she has supported herself financially since she was 17.

Apparently, she's not that independent owing to the fact you two were attached at the hip when you first started seeing each other, correct?


Her mother is a little crazy and is already on her 3rd marriage, which adds to the logic of why she may be scared for our relationship.

Dude, she has a terrible role model in her mother. I'd next her, too much negative influences from her mother, I wouldn't take the chance.

I have no interest whatsoever in finding somebody else, neither does she, but she made it clear that she needs a break.


Brother, she has interest (maybe just curiosity at this point), but she is most definitely interested in talking to other guys.

Your gf's interest level in you is probably, bordering somewhere between 50-60%. Girls with High Interest levels, do not --let me repeat DO NOT want breaks with their bf's. It's a fact of life.


What scares me is that I could put all my eggs in one basket by choosing to hold onto her, which I am perfectly happy doing, and then 3 or 4 years down the road realize that she doesn’t want to continue the relationship.


Brother I believe what you have is the Scarcity Mentality. Basically, it's where a guy who doesn't have much dating experience or prematurely dates a girl exclusively. And the guy doesn't believe he could replace his gf, when the fact is if you got "Game" it's not that difficult to get dates, and it's pretty fun.

I believe unless you are in place where you can see yourself marrying a girl in 1-2 years from the time you start dating, then you should just date casually and not be tied down to one girl.




This really scares me because if we don’t work out in the end, I would have missed out on a number of opportunities at other relationships.


During your break, go on dates with other girls, and if your girl doesn't get jealous---then you know what you need to know, don't cha?


Any suggestions on what road I should take would be greatly appreciated.


1. Keep your relationship with God as your #1 priority.

2. Learn Game. You will not learn this @ church. If you want some info, let me know---I will point you in the right direction.
 
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Your false observation that she may be interested in somebody else was not only insulting but completely off topic.

When I said that neither of us have interest in another, the statement wasn't based off of denial and a false sense of hope. I would appreciate the opinions of women as I said earlier.


Did I daresay touch a nerve?:cool:
 
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"Did I daresay touch a nerve?"Your confidence far surpasses your intelligence. Although not all of the statements you made were garbage, I do appreciate some of the input.

I haven't yet figured out how to pull selected quotes from text, so I'll just italicize & bold quotes:

As the man in the relationship, you have to show control. Plus you need to give her the privilege of missing you.
I agree, I did come on strong, but I only matched her enthusiasm. We both made it clear from the start that we weren't going to play the typical dating mind games with each other.
The reason I didn't want to play games, such as "showing control by giving her the privilege of missing me" was because a loving couple shouldn't have to do that crap. Your theory is most likely the same that is adopted by the huge percentage of couples experiencing failed marriages.

The mistake that I made was that I steered her away from her personal relationship with God. reply:Do not believe this lie, you can(can't?) make someone else do something they don't have a desire to do.
Granted, you were probably a negative INFLUENCE on her relationship with God, but did you stop her from going to church/nurturing her relationship with God? No, she made that decision on her own.
After about a year of guilt, and anxiety brought on by it, I realized it was ridiculous and that my girlfriend could make mistakes as well.

LDR's have a terrible track record.
Both my brother and sister were in relationships that lasted seven years before they finally got married. Most of those years were spent far apart (much further than my girlfriend and I).

Women should be chasing the guy in this situation, not the other way around!
You should of went "No Contact:
No Emails
No Texts
No Calls
Let her miss you, wondering what your up to.
Dude, flowers? I know the church how utterly failed men and women when it comes how to be successful with opposite sex, but gifts are reserved for when women behave, not to buy their affections.

More of the games I mentioned earlier... But perhaps you are right. Maybe girls are stupid and they expect you to treat them like children. It could also mean that you have only had bad relationship experiences. Are you happily married mattybartholomew? Because if you are then I may actually respect your viewpoints more.
I posted my story on here because I was looking for sincere logical explanations and ideas based on the information I provided. If I wanted to
be insulted>>"Did I daresay touch a nerve?", I would have gone elsewhere.
mattybartholomew I appreciate your infinite wisdom in the relationship realm, but for the third time, I would appreciate a woman's perspective.
 
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More of the games I mentioned earlier... But perhaps you are right. Maybe girls are stupid and they expect you to treat them like children.

Every relationship in life plays by the rules of a game.

Takes sales for example (very similar to dating/romantic relationships), you have to play by the rules to be successful. If you said, I'm just going to skip all the steps of "Attraction", and ask for the order, it ain't gonna work out. You first had to build comfort/rapport, right? Then you have to build the value in your proposition, and lastly CLOSE (ask for the order). If you tried to ask for the order before building comfort and value, you would fall flat on your face, correct? So there are steps that need to be followed to be successful in sales, would you agree? Would you also agree, that there are steps that need to be followed in dating?



It could also mean that you have only had bad relationship experiences.

Not even close young grasshopper, like everyone else I've had good and bad dating experiences. If all I had were negative experiences, then I wouldn't be able to impart the golden knowledge of Game. I've taken a break from dating (for the last 6 months in fact), to focus on my walk with God---not because I was unsuccessful or couldn't close---there could even be an argument to be made that I was a little TOO successful , even for my own good.

Are you happily married mattybartholomew? Because if you are then I may actually respect your viewpoints more.

You will not find many "Happily Married" folks on message boards.
 
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