need help with IDing demonic bands

[Cobra]

ok i'm into heavey metal, industrial, and goth rock so i hear a lot of bands that are demonic but some i can't tell. so are obvious and some i just can't figure out. so if u could help me out with some of these please and tank you.

Atreyu

HIM

Lacuna Coil

these are some, if i think of more i'll post them. thanks again.

 

[Qyöt27]

ok i'm into heavey metal, industrial, and goth rock so i hear a lot of bands that are demonic but some i can't tell. so are obvious and some i just can't figure out. so if u could help me out with some of these please and tank you.

Atreyu

HIM

Lacuna Coil

these are some, if i think of more i'll post them. thanks again.

What criteria are you using to judge whether something is demonic or not? You have to take into consideration that Industrial and Goth Rock/Goth Metal use a lot of metaphor and symbolism, and something that seems to be bad is often not what it seems. Which begs me to ask: Why Lacuna Coil? Or are you asking about Lacuna Coil?

To let you know where I'm coming from with this, I listen to a lot of Industrial and Goth Rock myself. It would help if you'd define a few bands from each to help me know exactly what background with the music you're coming from. I look at the original definitions of both Industrial and Goth Rock, and then how they've progressed over the years, so my definitions tend to be a lot broader, and I just want to narrow it down so I know we're on the same page.

 

[KenobiKid]

Oh, is it time for another secular thread?

 

[oldrooster]

There are no demonic bands...some Christians will find a glass of water demonic...basically God gave you a brain - use it.....

 

[KenobiKid]

There are no demonic bands...some Christians will find a glass of water demonic...basically God gave you a brain - use it.....

In my best Simpsons comic book guy voice:
"Best reply ever!"

 

[Cobra]

ya those bands i listed are some ones i was woundering about. i'm simply asking because i get drawn into the wrong kind off stuff sometimes and then my friends will catch it and get mad at me and stuff. the main bands i want to know about right now are Atreyu and HIM since i like both of their music but i can't decided whether its bad stuff or if its just normal stuff.

 

[ps139]

There are no demonic bands...some Christians will find a glass of water demonic...basically God gave you a brain - use it.....

Thats not true. There are demonic bands. There have to be. Because some people are wrong in calling ALL rock demonic, does not mean that ALL rock is NOT demonic. Both positions are extremes which exclude certain possibilities and should be avoided.

 

[TheDandyMan]

the main bands i want to know about right now are Atreyu and HIM since i like both of their music but i can't decided whether its bad stuff or if its just normal stuff.

What is "bad stuff"? Would having a song about being sad since its raining outside be considered "bad"?

 

[Qyöt27]

ya those bands i listed are some ones i was woundering about. i'm simply asking because i get drawn into the wrong kind off stuff sometimes and then my friends will catch it and get mad at me and stuff. the main bands i want to know about right now are Atreyu and HIM since i like both of their music but i can't decided whether its bad stuff or if its just normal stuff.

well, i really dunno about either of them. i don't really like the vocals for Atreyu and i really haven't of anything from HIM, although i know the acronym stands for 'His Infernal Majesty', and that they've done covers of some really odd songs (not that the songs are odd; the fact that they covered those particular songs is what's strange) and wanted to make a sort of Gothic romance genre or something like that (it was mentioned on www.allmusic.com in the band biography).

lacuna coil is fine, though, from the material i've heard from them (which is just from their newest album), at least (why else would they have gone on tour with P.O.D.?). "Heaven's A Lie" and "Self-Deception" are two of my favorite songs.

 

[Cobra]

What is "bad stuff"? Would having a song about being sad since its raining outside be considered "bad"?

bad stuff being things against God like if it had messages that support satanism and that kind of stuff, i know theres tons of rock bands out there that have that kind of stuff i'm just concerned about ones that the majority of their songs are like that.

 

[KenobiKid]

bad stuff being things against God like if it had messages that support satanism and that kind of stuff, i know theres tons of rock bands out there that have that kind of stuff i'm just concerned about ones that the majority of their songs are like that.

Nah you gotta play it backwards dude.

 

[Qyöt27]

Brace yourself; this is a long response.

bad stuff being things against God like if it had messages that support satanism and that kind of stuff, i know theres tons of rock bands out there that have that kind of stuff i'm just concerned about ones that the majority of their songs are like that.

Truly Satanic bands (as in the religion of Satanism, in however many flavors it comes) are in a serious minority. Most references to Satan in popular music or "Satanic" imagery (and I use that terminology loosely; I'd only consider something Satanic if it was meant to be in glorification of Satan himself) are just shock tactics designed to appeal to being 'bad', or trying to shock people to get record sales, since the controversy will ultimately boost the artist's numbers. This is what you get in the mainstream. I seriously doubt that Marilyn Manson was ever serious in that respect. And Rob Zombie...really just a horror show, and used more or less to do something 'out there'. Note: both Manson and Zombie are Industrial Metal artists, and quite frankly, the only ones I've run into that seem to employ that type of imagery (although I could be wrong; I can't recall any others off the top of my head).

Does that mean I advocate Manson's music? Absolutely not [the only song I'd come close to after the cover of Tainted Love (which I do have on my computer) is the cover of Sweet Dreams - picking up a pattern there?]. I don't have that much of a problem with Rob Zombie, but I don't really like horror schtick in general, so I don't listen to him all that much.

You'll find (and it's a pretty well known fact) that most real Satanism is contained in the black metal/death metal scene. That doesn't mean every black/death metal artist is a Satanist, but that if you took a poll of the bands that are Satanic, most of them would probably be in that genre of music.

Goth and Industrial bands typically aren't involved in Satanism. I'd take a bet in saying most of them are agnostic, but raised with a Christian background, whether that's because of their family or just the moral background of the country they live in (most Goth or Industrial bands come from the US, Canada, the UK, or mainland Europe). That point is very obvious, seeing as how Christianity is a very popular topic in those two genres, but it doesn't mean the religion is put in a bad light. Quite the opposite (and if it is in a bad light, the artist usually has a very Nietzschean mindset, which I can say fairly confidently that while they may very well believe that, the reason it's in the music is more or less to shock). Usually Christianity is depicted as neutral and the artist is more or less crying out to God or expressing doubts in their faith. This isn't the only theme of the Goth-Industrial category of music, but when religion comes into play, that's one of the most common applications of it. Otherwise it's just some sort of veiled religious philosophical statements or expressing a feeling of forsakenness or anger at something they attribute to God having done to them.

When you simplify it to its basics, it makes it a little easier to judge whether it's good or bad. Hearing someone espouse Nietzsche's philosophy or vocally express their doubts about God and their faith in general can very much help you spiritually, as counter-productive as that sounds. Those viewpoints are very Gothic in nature, and when I say Gothic right there I'm referring to a specific mindset held by Christians during the Dark Ages (there is a reason why they're called the Dark Ages, after all) in that people thought God had forsaken all of humankind and there was no hope left. Basically the only thing worth living for in those times was, ironically enough, death. Fear was rampant, for a plethora of reasons. But all of that is beside the point. What it comes back down to is that, by and large, you're not going to find truly Satanic bands in Industrial or Goth Rock, and if a band has that sort of imagery (regardless of being either an Industrial or Goth band), 9 times out of 10 it's just a gimmick employed to sell records. You still have to use discretion, but the wolves aren't as numerous as you think in that category of music (or music in general).

 

[Z500]

ok i'm into heavey metal, industrial, and goth rock so i hear a lot of bands that are demonic but some i can't tell. so are obvious and some i just can't figure out. so if u could help me out with some of these please and tank you.

Atreyu

HIM

Lacuna Coil

these are some, if i think of more i'll post them. thanks again.

all of them. secular music is of the devil and we're out for your soul.

 

[absolutely_lost_86]

i know morbid angel r satanic

 

[ps139]

all of them. secular music is of the devil and we're out for your soul.

Come on, he is asking a serious question, no need for that.

 

[nadroj1985]

I don't think it's useful to separate things into categories like "Satanic" that you pledge to keep away from. Listen to music. If it offends you because of content that is against your religion, stop listening. Or, listen closely and try to understand why someone is singing against your religion, and maybe find out that they're really just criticizing hypocrisy, or any other number of faults that people sometimes associate with religion.

Ultimately, listen to music before you write it off. You never know what kind of useful stuff you might find in the most unlikely of places.

 

[ps139]

I think he would rather learn what to stay away from by asking more knowledgeable people, instead of learning through experience what not to listen to. This can be a valuable approach. If you were some tribesman 1000 years ago moving into a strange land, would you want to be the first guy to taste the native mushrooms and see if they're edible or poisonous??
Yeah thats an extreme case but I think the principle still applies.

 

[nadroj1985]

I think he would rather learn what to stay away from by asking more knowledgeable people, instead of learning through experience what not to listen to. This can be a valuable approach. If you were some tribesman 1000 years ago moving into a strange land, would you want to be the first guy to taste the native mushrooms and see if they're edible or poisonous??
Yeah thats an extreme case but I think the principle still applies.

I don't think so. Music is hardly "poisonous," especially if you have a firmly held religious belief. I doubt listening to the music is going to change things much. And, as I said above, just because a piece of music might be criticizing Christianity (or any other religion, for that matter), that doesn't mean it has no value to the Christian. For one thing, there is such a thing as constructive criticism.

 

[ps139]

I don't think so. Music is hardly "poisonous," especially if you have a firmly held religious belief. I doubt listening to the music is going to change things much. And, as I said above, just because a piece of music might be criticizing Christianity (or any other religion, for that matter), that doesn't mean it has no value to the Christian. For one thing, there is such a thing as constructive criticism.

If you listen to something, it goes into your subconscious. Start listening to it enough, and it affects your thoughts and behavior.
I used to swear all the time when I listened to rap and played football. Now I do neither and I rarely curse. Thats no coincidence. Rap doesnt cause bad language but being bombarded with curse words all the time desensitizes you.
Eat McDonalds one day and you won't blow up. Eat it a few times a week for a few months and you'll start blimping out.
Everything has some sort of influence, we are designed as creatures who respond to our environment. Therefore if you do not want to risk being influenced by something, its best to avoid it.

 

[nadroj1985]

If you listen to something, it goes into your subconscious. Start listening to it enough, and it affects your thoughts and behavior.
I used to swear all the time when I listened to rap and played football. Now I do neither and I rarely curse. Thats no coincidence. Rap doesnt cause bad language but being bombarded with curse words all the time desensitizes you.
Eat McDonalds one day and you won't blow up. Eat it a few times a week for a few months and you'll start blimping out.
Everything has some sort of influence, we are designed as creatures who respond to our environment. Therefore if you do not want to risk being influenced by something, its best to avoid it.

I think that's true to a degree, although maybe not as much as is commonly thought. But that doesn't even have to be the point. My main beef here is with the idea that you should shut out any ideas that don't agree with your own. The Christian is not supposed to listen to Tool, read Nietzsche, or watch American Beauty, because some people call them "evil," when in reality they might be quite beneficial if they'd pay attention to them rather than write them off when they see the parental advisory sticker, atheist label, or R-rating.