Need Help Finding a Chruch

[4jacks]

I think this is the right place for this kind of Question, but I'm afraid, it's not going to get any answers.


I'm currently looking for a new church, I'm leaving the PCA based on doctrine issues.


Of course like anyone, I would love to join a church that teaches all the doctrine that I believe, but of course, like everyone, I'll probably never find that Unless i'm preaching, which I'm not. hehehe


I need help finding a church or denomination that is somewhat close to following the issues that I care about. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.


Mostly (not wholely) I follow the teachings of Tony Evans on the Radio (The urban alternative) But I have no clue what denomination he is.


Okay, I'm about to list all the important stuff that I believe... The SOLE purpose of listing this stuff is to get feedback like, "yeah, luthereans believe this but not that, baptist believe that but not this"


I AM NOT DEBATING MY BELIEFS.... I put that in caps to get your attention. Please do not respond, with anything like "Well, this is in the bible and you should belive that, like I do" I do NOT wanna debate.


I just need help finding a new church.


Here is a list of Beliefs that are important to me


Homosexuality is a sin, and is not allowed (especially marriage)

Fornication is a sin

Women should not be preachers

You can not loose your Salvation

Infant or Adult Baptism is Fine

God does not Predestine people to hell. Every person has the oppurtunity for salvation.

The only grounds for Divorce are Adultery and Adbandonment

The Pastor, Elders and Decons of the church (as well as members) should be held accountable for their actions.


A think that is the important ones, if I think of more, I'll add them. Any advice on different denominations or even churches in the Bel Air Maryland 21014 21015 Area would be great!!

Thanks

 

[4jacks]

Ummm..... Is there a Better Forum to Put this In ??

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Hello 4jacks.

Per your list - The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod would agree with most of your list. The exceptions would be that we do not teach "once saved only saved" because there are plenty of examples in the Bible where someone who was saved lost that salvation. Also, I'm not totally sure that abandonment is a permissible action for divorce. But that's just a guess.

I'll try to locate an LCMS church around you area if you want.

Pax

 

[4jacks]

Thanks Pax,

I'm not sure If I would want to attend or not, just yet, that is a very strong disagreement with me. But it's definitely worth looking into.

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Thanks Pax,

I'm not sure If I would want to attend or not, just yet, that is a very strong disagreement with me. But it's definitely worth looking into.

Hello 4jacks.

Never hurts to talk things out, perhaps one of these pastors would be good to talk to. Pastors love to talk!

St. Paul, Kingsville. Pastors Michael Wollman and Gary Zieroth.
http://www.stpaulskingsville.org

Marini, Baltimore. Pastor Elliott Robertson.
http://wwwmartinilutheran.org

St. Thomas, Baltimore. Pastor Charles Wildner, Jr.
http://www.stthomasevlutheran.org

Hope I spelled all that correctly! They must be in the phone book too.

Pax

 

[annaapple]

This may surprise you... but you sound kinda Catholic! I guess it will depend on how you feel about communion (you don't say anything about that), but maybe you should talk to a priest too, just to get that perspective.

 

[Adammi]

I know you aren't Catholic but it might help you to check one of these out. Even though you aren't Catholic, attending a service could help you find out want you want in a Church.

St Margaret's Church: Rectory
141 N Hickory Ave, Bel Air, MD
(410) 838-6969

St Ignatius Church-Hickory
533 E Jarrettsville Rd, Forest Hill, MD
(410) 879-1926

St Mark Church: Rectry
812 Reckord Rd, Fallston, MD
(410) 879-9110

 

[4jacks]

Wow, I didn't know I shared any beliefs w/ Catholics.

I really don't ever see myself joining a Catholic Church though. Not that I know a lot about their beliefs, but some of them I strongly disagree with.
I also see a lot of Problems with their internal Church Structure.

 

[discernomatic]

Hi 4jacks,

Your beliefs seem to be a combination between what is called "mainline" Christianity, usually seen as more liberal, and what is considered to be more conservative. I'm a combination person, too - just a different combination.

I would agree with BalaamsAss that the Lutherans would probably be closest to what you are looking for, but they do allow women pastors in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. Presbyterians, Episcopals and Methodists also allow them. Baptists in Scotland, at least, can choose to have them or not by the congregation. As far as I know the Baptists in the US don't have them. I have not heard of emergent churches with female pastors, but there may be some.

Calvinistic or Reformed churches do not allow female pastors, but they are more conservative on a number of views that you seem to see liberally, including salvation. I sympathize with you, don't seem to fit in anywhere either.

 

[ctay]

I was going to say check into the LCMS. They believe in most of what you have posted.

 

[4jacks]

What's LCMS?

Currently looking into Southern Baptist, which seems to be okay, gonna talk to the pastor/elder to check things out more

 

[CandleLightSky]

Well you'll never find anyone to completely agree with that list but I figure most of those are met by a lot.

Personally Tony Evans kind of bugs me...most radio preachers do though, haha. They aren't so bad when compared to TBN or something like that though.

I don't know that a lot of people would find this forum in this particular place though so you may want to post it in a different place.

Just out of Curiousity what was the problem with PCA exactly?

 

[4jacks]

Just out of Curiousity what was the problem with PCA exactly?

Biggest Problem, is I don't agree w/ their take on predestination and therefore I can never be anything more than a member.


Tony Evan rocks, we've seen him a couple times up here at Sandy Cove on the Susquhanna River... He is the Flipping Man.

 

[ctay]

Its the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.
Here's their webpage.
http://www.lcms.org/

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

why not ask G+d where to go?, if He's talking to you, you'll then know.
if He's not, you'll then know something else.
He won't agree with your conditions by the way, you'll have to agree with His.

 

[ctay]

I had trouble getting back into a church, I prayed and the Lord led me to where I am now.

 

[4jacks]

why not ask G+d where to go?, if He's talking to you, you'll then know.
if He's not, you'll then know something else.

I thought it was a gimme, that My wife and I have been praying about this. If God weren't telling me to leave my current church, we wouldn't be leaving. And if God weren't talking to me at all. Well I woulda never been in church in the first place.

He won't agree with your conditions by the way, you'll have to agree with His.

Like I said in my first post, I'm not debating any of my beliefs, but they are all backed by biblical principals.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I was surprised for twenty-some years as I went from church to
church across the country, moving per job or vacation, that I couldn't find
one that believed the Scripture(only a few individuals here and there) - mainly, that disciples should obey the Master Yeshua. Just as in the Gospel, most 'disciples' leave off following Yeshua when the Path gets too hard. And none of the churches requires obedience to Yeshua nor to Yhwh!!! Surprised?
Also, unexpectedly, my beliefs gradually changed, after much testing and
suffering. Doctrinally, none of the denoms are able to accomplish Life, nor to
obey G_d (their rules prevent them, instead of helping).
If you think your beliefs are immutable, as I once did mine, only G_d will change your mind, and only if you're willing, so debate would be futile, just
as it was with me(what I saw in other people made a difference, not what
they said, but who they were)

So, sort of, don't be surprised if you don't find a suitable church.
But, L_rd willing, let Him surprise you with fellowship in unexpected places.
Meanwhile, if you see the L_rd hungry or naked or homeless, ........

 

[4jacks]

Why are you not typing out God or Lord?
And who are Yeshua & Yhwh ??
And I never Said My Beliefs were immutable, I said I am not debating them on this thread. If I feel a need to debate by beliefs I will do so with People who I know to follow scriptures and be good Believers who study the bible. Not Random internet people.
And If I did wish to debate with Random Internet People I would create a thread in the Debate forum.
But I did not create a thread in the Debate forum, I created a Thread in this forum, to ask a very specific questions. If you can not help answer those questions, just say so and wish me luck, don't try to draw me into some debate.

I was surprised for twenty-some years as I went from church to
church across the country, moving per job or vacation, that I couldn't find
one that believed the Scripture(only a few individuals here and there) - mainly, that disciples should obey the Master Yeshua. Just as in the Gospel, most 'disciples' leave off following Yeshua when the Path gets too hard. And none of the churches requires obedience to Yeshua nor to Yhwh!!! Surprised?
Also, unexpectedly, my beliefs gradually changed, after much testing and
suffering. Doctrinally, none of the denoms are able to accomplish Life, nor to
obey G_d (their rules prevent them, instead of helping).
If you think your beliefs are immutable, as I once did mine, only G_d will change your mind, and only if you're willing, so debate would be futile, just
as it was with me(what I saw in other people made a difference, not what
they said, but who they were)

So, sort of, don't be surprised if you don't find a suitable church.
But, L_rd willing, let Him surprise you with fellowship in unexpected places.
Meanwhile, if you see the L_rd hungry or naked or homeless, ........

 

[discernomatic]

Why are you not typing out God or Lord?
And who are Yeshua & Yhwh ??

If I may, Jews and possibly some Messianic Jews don't like to spell out the name of God. The others are his names - if you look around in Scripture he has quite a few, usually translated as Almighty, etc. Yhwh=Yahweh. That kind of typing is too difficult for me, I consider it as limiting as manmade church rules, but if someone insists on writing that way, then that is up to them. Suggestion, if a discussion is to be continued as to whether to write out God's names or not, then it would be better in another thread.