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A google search will turn up materials made by trans organizations. But I don't really know how they are being used either.Without seeing those materials and knowing exactly where/how they're being used, it's hard for me to make any judgement on them.
It may not be so bad to neuter them. The problem is when you give them hormones to try to change their sex. I see nothing healthy about that. The Bible refers to that as witchcraft or Sorcery. (pharmakeia)He's now speaking out against transitioning kids.
Oh cmon - you calling these kids witches - This site knows no end to its paranoid statementsIt may not be so bad to neuter them. The problem is when you give them hormones to try to change their sex. I see nothing healthy about that. The Bible refers to that as witchcraft or Sorcery. (pharmakeia)
The OP focussed on the testimony of ONE guy
Oh cmon - you calling these kids witches - This site knows no end to its paranoid statements
Although I disagree with your view of the world, I can accept an intellectual viewpoint. That said, Im sure you realise that not everyone views the matter in the intellectual way you have - many here, would acknowledge the biblical reference and simply say that these kids are toying with witchcraft. Their not - there are kids that genuinely identify wth a gender they weren't born with. Christians may scorn that, but it has been happening since recorded history.He's not calling the kids witches. The word pharmakeia is a Greek word referring to drugs and sorceries which often including drugs and potions etc in it's use. The idea here is drugs are being used to alter the healthy body that was not biologically intended to be that way.
Although I disagree with your view of the world, I can accept an intellectual viewpoint. That said, Im sure you realise that not everyone views the matter in the intellectual way you have - many here, would acknowledge the biblical reference and simply say that these kids are toying with witchcraft. Their not - there are kids that genuinely identify wth a gender they weren't born with. Christians may scorn that, but it has been happening since recorded history.
I feel particularly aggrieved with fundamentalist Christian views, for those children born with genetic sexual chromosomes eg XXY, where the child presents with dysmorphic genitals and physicality. I find the judgements pronounced and rocks thrown by the Christian community to be rather tiresome and wish if they could walk a day in these children's shoes.
If you are genuine then you should talk to just one of the parents of these children, Its a myth that parents PUSH a child to change their gender. Parents (loving ones at least) want the best possible life for their kids. Your average hard working parent confronted by a child who wants to be another gender, isn't pushing that agenda and to call these parents diabolical for throwing their hands in the air and saying - what on earth do we do here. - So, they explore the options and interests of the child and of course face the bullying and criticisms of "good christians" who have no idea of the ordeals face by the child and their parents - they just throw a rock )albeit the rock is thrown with compassion as you suggest) . I've found way more christains to be diabolical in their views on women, sexual health, and even public health. But I have never heard of a parent enforcing a trans process upon their child that hasnt, since a very young age, expressed and presented as another gender.In these thread we are not talking about deformities or birth defects. We are very compassionate towards those who are born with those kinds of defects. In fact the scientific community recognizes those folks as male with a defect. It's NOT the same thing as transgenderism.
We are talking about children being convinced and experimented on due to either a mental disorder or a social disorder. It's not the kids that are the issue. It's the ADULTS who are doing this to kids that are.
We are not scorning the disorder. We are compassionate to those that are going through it. Like every other mental health disorder.
What we are against is the trans activists who are pursuing pushing kids and adults into transitioning when it's so obviously detrimental to them.
Especially children. It's diabolical what they are doing to kids.
If you are genuine then you should talk to just one of the parents of these children, Its a myth that parents PUSH a child to change their gender. Parents (loving ones at least) want the best possible life for their kids. Your average hard working parent confronted by a child who wants to be another gender, isn't pushing that agenda and to call these parents diabolical for throwing their hands in the air and saying - what on earth do we do here. - So, they explore the options and interests of the child and of course face the bullying and criticisms of "good christians" who have no idea of the ordeals face by the child and their parents - they just throw a rock )albeit the rock is thrown with compassion as you suggest) . I've found way more christains to be diabolical in their views on women, sexual health, and even public health. But I have never heard of a parent enforcing a trans process upon their child that hasnt, since a very young age, expressed and presented as another gender.
Instead of throwing stones and calling them names like "diabolical", make the effort to talk to at least one of these parents and listen to the difficult parenting decisions they have faced.
However, there is growing concern among many doctors and other healthcare professionals as to whether this is, in fact, the best way to proceed for those under aged 18, in particular, with several countries pulling back on medical treatment and instead emphasizing psychotherapy first.
Correct, several other countries (including ones that are far more progressive than we are on any number of other issues) have tried to pump the breaks a bit with regards to early prescribing of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.
That's not to say that the conservative side is exempt from criticism with regards to how some of them have wanted to handle the situation of gender dysphoria and certain matters involving transgendered individuals.
But on the specific facet of the conversation regarding the prescribing of puberty blockers to young people prior to doing extensive psychotherapy first, that's an area where they've been validated/vindicated as evidenced by, as you mentioned, several other progressive countries realizing that they jumped the gun a bit and deciding to pull back.
Now, I suspect that even if the US did follow suit with the European countries... certain staunch conservatives would still take issue with the practice even after extensive psychotherapy has taken place and due diligence was done.
That's where, in the interest of clarity, if conservative folks in the US oppose the practice no matter the circumstance and no matter how much therapy was done prior, they should be honest and up front about that and not try to make it about "they're rushing the process before psychotherapy was done", because if we do follow suit with Sweden, and 2-3 years of intensive counseling doesn't address the issue and then the meds are prescribed, and then conservative still take issue with it, then we're not solving anything by one side advocating for the Sweden approach (if they're just going to reject the Sweden approach in 2 years)
I'd prefer society not waste everyone's time for two years, and just have the real, no-nonsense conversation now, rather than both sides tip-toeing and constantly moving goalposts.
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