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No it isn't. Well perhaps for some. But for others it is a conclusion reached as the most obvious explanation of the same evidence that you would see.
Faith basically is a trusting in, relying on, and cleaving to someone or something...these speak of something tangible to the person, not something merely imagined.
It depends on how much order you want to attach to nature. Thats what design is about ordered information and not random. How does natural selection choose a swirl pattern in a cabbage for example. Why that pattern and not many other patterns. Why is does that patterns always conform to certain numbers whether its plants, weather, astronomy ect. Why do those numbered patterns fall into secondary patterns and numbers throughout all existence whether its to do with physics or biology like they are all linked to a set of numbers and patterns. I think there is even a deeper level of order that we havnt even realized. It goes beyond evolution because it seems to be linked by a universal system. How much design capability do you want to give nature.Who says they are "too ordered" to result from a natural process?
Only in absence of what YOU would call scientific evidence....I never required evidence to believe my aunt Daisy in Halifax was real even though I never personally met her...especially scientific evidence
Did you have photos, phone conversations, letters, emails? Those are all scientific evidence.
No, but I know my grandmother was not a liar....
I never required scientific evidence to KNOW my children love me but they do...
You have scientific evidence that they exist which means you don't have to use faith.
But no scientific evidence that they love me...yet I do not doubt it...
It depends on how much order you want to attach to nature. Thats what design is about ordered information and not random. How does natural selection choose a swirl pattern in a cabbage for example. Why that pattern and not many other patterns.
Why is does that patterns always conform to certain numbers whether its plants, weather, astronomy ect. Why do those numbered patterns fall into secondary patterns and numbers throughout all existence whether its to do with physics or biology like they are all linked to a set of numbers and patterns. I think there is even a deeper level of order that we havnt even realized. It goes beyond evolution because it seems to be linked by a universal system. How much design capability do you want to give nature.
Abiogenesis is the science of how life was created in the first place. I find it to be extremely necessary of an atheist's rejection of intelligent design, as the process for life beginning seems to require extraordinary conditions. Almost if needed to be created by an intelligence.
Abiogenesis is the science of how life was created in the first place. I find it to be extremely necessary of an atheist's rejection of intelligent design,
What were those conditions? It is my understanding that the biological process of life began on this planet not long after it had cooled sufficiently to allow that process to happen. This was recently mentioned on a recent Astronomycast podcast.as the process for life beginning seems to require extraordinary conditions.
Almost.Almost if needed to be created by an intelligence.
the biological process of life began on this planet not long after it had cooled sufficiently to allow that process to happen. This was recently mentioned on a recent Astronomycast podcast.
Go on. What are the rest of these "extraordinary conditions" that you alluded to?That was mentioned thirty years ago. According to evolution it would have to be at that time. It's not some edifying discovery, just another condition.
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It just seems that many scientists use terms like language, code, systems, patterns, information, order, ect when they refer to DNA and life. They even use maths to show the patterns in nature as shown in the video I linked. The spiral pattern of a nautilus sea shell, or a cabbage, or cyclone or spiral galaxy is the same and these patterns repeat in nature. They all conform to certain numbers which is described in Fibonacci sequences or the Golden ratio. These are part of the greater patterns and codes we see in nature which seem to be more than just random numbers and patterns. Yet they are too ordered to be product of nature alone.
http://plus.maths.org/content/life-and-numbers-fibonacci
It depends on how much order you want to attach to nature. Thats what design is about ordered information and not random. How does natural selection choose a swirl pattern in a cabbage for example. Why that pattern and not many other patterns. Why is does that patterns always conform to certain numbers whether its plants, weather, astronomy ect. Why do those numbered patterns fall into secondary patterns and numbers throughout all existence whether its to do with physics or biology like they are all linked to a set of numbers and patterns. I think there is even a deeper level of order that we havnt even realized. It goes beyond evolution because it seems to be linked by a universal system. How much design capability do you want to give nature.
Why does a lottery machine choose one combination of numbers and not another?
You are painting a bulls eye around the bullet hole.
The problem is the same numbers keep coming up. So its like having a random lottery machine with not just 6 numbers but with many numbers ie 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55, ect that keep coming up. The odds for just 6 numbers out of 42 is millions to 1. So imagine the odds for 20 numbers or many numbers out of hundreds of numbers. But then imagine the odds for the same many numbers coming up over and over again.Why is the density of water always 1 g/ml in a standard environment?
Thats the same for the patterns like in a cabbage, hurricane, galaxy, shell. If you had a lottery machine that kept bring the same numbers up over and over again you would say it was fixed and that there was some meddling going on from a human. But when it comes to design in nature its different and nature is suddenly given this ability to do all sorts of things that look like design but its not according to evolution and atheists.
Why is that, Why not 4 petals on a flower. The fact that there are flowers with 4 or 6 petals shows that the possibility is there. But the fibonacci numbers are chosen most of the time throughout nature.It makes sense that scientists would use terms like language to draw an analogy which can be used to illustrate certain aspects of DNA. That doesn't mean they think they are a language. And I think Fibonacci sequences and the Golden Ratio are quite common in nature. Fibonacci sequences and the Golden Ratio being common is what you would expect from evolution, because they are a best solution.
No Ive just came back on but I will check it out. But if evolution meddles it is meddling to the point of design. The other point is its not just in evolution. Its in physics and astrology as well. Plus fibonacci is only part of it. There are many other evidences of design with codes, patterns, systems, language, ordered information in nature and life.There is "meddling" going on. But by Evolution. Did you visit that math site I linked you to? It has a great explanation of the exact stuff you are talking about here.
I'll wait until you check it out. It addresses your questions regarding the Golden ration and Fibonacci sequences in cabbages, sunflowers, and other plants and animals.No Ive just came back on but I will check it out. But if evolution meddles it is meddling to the point of design. The other point is its not just in evolution. Its in physics and astrology as well. Plus fibonacci is only part of it. There are many other evidences of design with codes, patterns, systems, language, ordered information in nature and life.
I'll wait until you check it out. It addresses your questions regarding the Golden ration and Fibonacci sequences in cabbages, sunflowers, and other plants and animals.
OK I'm back now, I had to pop out for a while as well. So I read the article you links which was interesting and informative thanks. The way I understand what the article was saying is that nature seems to have a certain way of creating the patterns in flowers for example which best optimizes their ability to live and thrive. For example flower seeds in sunflowers form circles which are the best structure for holding it together. leaves or petals form symmetrical patterns where they allow each leaf or petal to have maximum sunlight. In other words its only natural for these patterns to form because they have a logical reason which is all to do with survival and optimizing life.I'll wait until you check it out. It addresses your questions regarding the Golden ration and Fibonacci sequences in cabbages, sunflowers, and other plants and animals.
Ugh, you're still not listening...It depends on how much order you want to attach to nature. Thats what design is about ordered information and not random.
Still not listening to what. Besides I think I know what you are on about.If your meaning that evolution has the ability to design through natural selection your missing the point. Many of the designs have nothing to do with evolution. You seem to not explain yourself properly so its hard to know what you mean.Ugh, you're still not listening...
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