NATURAL IMMUNITY Provides Same, If Not Better Protection Against the Virus Than Covid-19 Vaccines

[rambot]

In a small rural town near me, folks started having COVID parties.
One such party led to 3 deaths and half a dozen hospital placements.

God won those times too.

Because God wins every time.

God wins with vaccines too. You think his grand design didn't allow for science to create a copycat mechanism? His grace didn't enter the researchers to help them establish and expand their knowledge?


ps. I wonder how long it will take to get peer reviewed? It seems like a pretty basic statistical analysis.

 

[hedrick]

Interesting CDC study. Vaccination protects against Covid-19 more strongly than previous infection does, CDC study finds - CNN They note an Israeli study which shows no difference. Unfortunately there are a number of factors that could affect the difference, so don’t see any clear explanation. One difference is that they looked at hospitalized patients.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

naturally immunity always wanes over time.

so does the jab IE

CDC greenlights FOURTH Covid vaccine jab for ‘immunocompromised’ Americans as definitions blur for ‘booster & fully vaccinated

 

[mama2one]

Coronavirus Disease 2019



"New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection"


"If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. “This study shows you are twice as likely to get infected again if you are unvaccinated. Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious Delta variant spreads around the country.”

 

[dgiharris]

WHy do people point to natural immunity as if it's this great thing...

Because it has the word "natural" in it. And over the past 10 years the word "natural" has become the holy grail of salespoint.

The irony is that we are the only species on the planet whose success is owed to us being "unnatural" and bending nature to our will.

Technology isn't natural, electronics don't grow on trees. If you look at our lifespans, they have been steadily increasing for the past 200 years due to our "unnatural" medical science.

Cancer is natural, illness is natural, hemlock is natural... There is nothing inherently automatically "good" just because it is natural. Natural can be good, neutral, or bad.

Anti-vaxxers talk about "natural immunity" as if it is some novel concept and it is infuriating. Right now, there are hundreds of millions of people in the world who are without access to medical science. There are hundreds of millions of people in the world who would do anything to get the vaccine for their famileis. And yet, we in AMerica are so spoiled and privileged that we not only decline FREE lifesaving medical treatment in the form of free vaccines but we have people who actively campaign to discourage others from getting this free treatment. 95%+ of people dying of COVID in the ICU's across the nation are the unvaccinated.

On Reddit there is a forum room called the "Herman Cain Award" and in that forum room they chronicle people who were anti-vaxxers and vocal on their social media about COVID being a hoax and/or not getting the vaccine. These people get COVID and then they die and thus they earn their Herman Caine Award. This room has dozens of entries per day and it is sad seeing these people come to the realization that all their anti-vaxxer posts were nonsense. about 90% of the anti-vaxxers retract their anti-vaxxer posts before they die and issue warnings to everyone and beg everyone to get vaccinated and then they die. The ones that break your heart are the 20, 30, and 40 year olds who are leaving behind their kids and family. And then there are the ones who are "proud to have lived free" and it's kinda crazy that even as they are dying they won't admit their mistake.

 

[dgiharris]

In a small rural town near me, folks started having COVID parties.
One such party led to 3 deaths and half a dozen hospital placements.

I had a friend of a friend go to a COVID party, he was in his 20s, he got COVID, he was hospitalized, he recovered, but the hospital stay bankrupted him. He lost his job because he worked for a small business that simply couldn't afford to be without him for 2 months. He lost his newly bought house, his job, had to declare bankruptcy, and had to move back in with his parents all because he refused a free vaccine just so he could own the libs.

... You think his grand design didn't allow for science to create a copycat mechanism? His grace didn't enter the researchers to help them establish and expand their knowledge?

What I sadly find the case to be among a lot of Christians I know is that God's grand design and plans ALWAYS corresponds to the opinion of the Christian in question. If said Christian is an anti-vaxxer then it is simply inconceivable that God would aid the scientists, researchers, and engineers in developing a vaccine that would save hundreds of millions of lives.

But those same Christians have no problem "praying" for the lives of their loved one when said loved one gets COVID and is in the ICU. Now, all of a sudden they believe God can help with treatment and yet they can't believe God would have helped with the vaccine???

 

[Searching1God]

I haven’t read 91 studies, but the ones I’ve seen have all concluded that the boost in immunity from vaccines is significant even for those that have recovered from Covid. That’s not the same question as comparing the two types of immunity,of course.

Actually the one that I read showed that the boost is statistically insignificant in those who have recovered from Covid.

 

[Searching1God]

WHy do people point to natural immunity as if it's this great thing. You have to risk death to get it, vaccines don't and guess what for the 3193139 time you can have BOTH. Get the vaccine that keeps you from dying long enough to get natural immunity....gee what a concept.

I have natural immunity from surviving Covid and I will trust it more than I will trust the man made vaccines whose mid and long term side effects NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT.

 

[Searching1God]

If you are elderly and/or with co-morbidities, or overweight/obese, yeah, then in your case, it might be wise to get the vaccine, because the numbers have shown that people like you are at high risks of developing covid complications.

But for the young and healthy, not so much. The numbers are not there to justify taking something experimental.

But then again, if you want it, by all means, get that sucker, if you are so afraid of Covid! It's your choice to make for your body and for your life, whatever helps you sleep at night. But don't force it on others.

 

[mama2one]

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[loveofourlord]

I have natural immunity from surviving Covid and I will trust it more than I will trust the man made vaccines whose mid and long term side effects NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT.

At this point no ones going to take you seriously if you repeat the long term nonsense. How long is long enough? It's just a lame excuse that has no bite.

 

[Searching1God]

At this point no ones going to take you seriously if you repeat the long term nonsense. How long is long enough? It's just a lame excuse that has no bite.

I suspect you have no issue injecting into your body substances whose mid and long term side effects no one knows about. Please do you. To be honest, I really truly absolutely don't care what YOU put in your body.

And I wish you similarly would not care what I put into my body.

 

[Job 33:6]

Here is the full list of 91 studies that affirm natural immunity to Covid-19, Published by The Brownstone Institute and up to date as of 10/15/21:

Study / report title, author, and year published Predominant finding on natural immunity
#1) Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals, Shrestha, 2021

Conclusions
Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

Summary
“Cumulative incidence of COVID-19 was examined among 52,238 employees in an American healthcare system. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection remained almost zero among previously infected unvaccinated subjects, previously infected subjects who were vaccinated, and previously uninfected subjects who were vaccinated, compared with a steady increase in cumulative incidence among previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated. Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study. Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination…”

91 Clinical Research Studies ALL CONFIRMED

GOD WINS AGAIN OVER MAN

God wins over man, correct. But its fair to say that God also allowed for 800,000 Americans to die in the process to date, and that natural immunity for these Americans only went so far.

 

[Job 33:6]

I have natural immunity from surviving Covid and I will trust it more than I will trust the man made vaccines whose mid and long term side effects NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT.

The reason no one knows anything about long term effects of the covid vaccines, and why we never will know anything about them ever, is because they don't exist.

 

[rturner76]

A man sits at home with his buddies watching TV and the news breaks is saying a flood is coming, get to high ground right away! They guys buddies all high tail it to their cars and offer him a ride up the hill to high ground. He tells them "I'm trusting the Lord will save me. You guys go on ahead."

The lights go out so he turns on the radio and it says "Last chance to get to high ground, the storm has moved in. He says "I don't mind, the lord will save me."

The water starts coming in the house and a boat drives by and they say "get in the boat or you'll drown in there." The guy says "that's alright, the Lord will save me." So they continue on.

He's on his roof by now and a helicopter flies overhead and drops a rope to him. He shouts "I'm ok, the Lord will save me."

So the guy drowns and when he gets to the Pearly Gates he asks God, "God, I kept the faith knowing you would save me.....what happened?" God says, "man I sent you a TV broadcast, a radio broadcast warning, a ride up the hill, a boat, and I even sent a helicopter."

I butchered that joke but the story reminds me of anti-vaxxers who end up at death's door. Not that they deserve it but it's kind of their own fault at that point.

I could see if the data even came close to supporting their claims but it's just superstition. Science made penicillin. How many millions of lives have been saved by that simple medicine? All were achieved by using the scientific method.

 

[loveofourlord]

I suspect you have no issue injecting into your body substances whose mid and long term side effects no one knows about. Please do you. To be honest, I really truly absolutely don't care what YOU put in your body.

And I wish you similarly would not care what I put into my body.

HOW LONG IS LONG ENOUGH? there is nothing left of these vaccines within a few weeks to have an effect, they don't alter your DNA, they don't mess things up, so explain how they are supposed to damage you months or years later. YOu seem to be pretty sure they will so you must have some knowledge of biology to be able to tell when we should see things right?

 

[Searching1God]

HOW LONG IS LONG ENOUGH? there is nothing left of these vaccines within a few weeks to have an effect, they don't alter your DNA, they don't mess things up, so explain how they are supposed to damage you months or years later. YOu seem to be pretty sure they will so you must have some knowledge of biology to be able to tell when we should see things right?

And you know all of this because... you have seen studies or research on the mid and long term side effects of those Covid vaccines?? If so, Please produce them right here for ALL OF US TO SEE!!

Pfizer began testing Viagra in 1993 to see if it was safe, and it wasn't until 5 years later, 5 YEARS LATER, that it was deemed safe enough to be prescribed. During those 5 years, they had the opportunity to see the mid and long terms side effects. In other words, Viagra was tested longer than the Covid vaccines you are so eager to inflict on others.

 

[loveofourlord]

And you know all of this because... you have seen studies or research on the mid and long term side effects of those Covid vaccines?? If so, Please produce them right here for ALL OF US TO SEE!!

Pfizer began testing Viagra in 1993 to see if it was safe, and it wasn't until 5 years later, 5 YEARS LATER, that it was deemed safe enough to be prescribed. During those 5 years, they had the opportunity to see the mid and long terms side effects. In other words, Viagra was tested longer than the Covid vaccines you are so eager to inflict on others.

Because of this thing called science your ignoring. Is it possible eating banana's will kill you, in fat it's more plausible then vaccines, because eat enough banana's you will eat enough radiation to die. So why isn't anyone ever concerned? Because there is no mechanism for you to eat enough radiation quick enough to die. With these vaccines they can't enter the nucleus so can't affect the DNA, they are quickly absorbed by the body so don't last very long. There is no mechanism for them to have long lasting harm.

All people like you are doing is fear mongering from ignorance of the science and the reality of the vaccine. Keep complaining while people die. The few potential harms from the vaccine are also there at a far higher rate from the virus. Things like the heart issues are also there with the virus, as it's the virus makeup causing the problems. Wich is going to do more harm, a small amount produced in one area, or your entire body being invaded by covid?

 

[Searching1God]

Because of this thing called science your ignoring. Is it possible eating banana's will kill you, in fat it's more plausible then vaccines, because eat enough banana's you will eat enough radiation to die. So why isn't anyone ever concerned? Because there is no mechanism for you to eat enough radiation quick enough to die. With these vaccines they can't enter the nucleus so can't affect the DNA, they are quickly absorbed by the body so don't last very long. There is no mechanism for them to have long lasting harm.

All people like you are doing is fear mongering from ignorance of the science and the reality of the vaccine. Keep complaining while people die. The few potential harms from the vaccine are also there at a far higher rate from the virus. Things like the heart issues are also there with the virus, as it's the virus makeup causing the problems. Wich is going to do more harm, a small amount produced in one area, or your entire body being invaded by covid?

I am still waiting for you to produce the scientific studies on the mid and long term side effects of the covid vaccines.

Anything else you say is blah blah blah, no matter how many times you spew out the word "science" in between blahs.

 

[mama2one]

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