Names of God

[WOFFED]

It depends on which version you look at. Here is an interesting site I came across recently that might give some thought to the evolution of names ...

Couldn't insert your attached link as I don't yet have 50 posts, but your link is: bibletopics.com/biblestudy/154.htm

Why is it we rarely see Yahweh spelled Yahveh? I've seen it as YaHVeH when discussing the tetragrammaton YHWH/YHVH with vowel points, but never Yahveh in sentences on this forum. In that the letter Vav has special significance it does seem strange that we don't pronounce Yahveh having the sound of v as in vine. (google "letter vav")

The Restored Vav is a picture of the Mashiach who would descend from the "generations" of Perez. He would be the one to breach the gates of death on our behalf. Just as the original Vav was lost through the first Adam and his sin, so the Vav is restored the obedience of the "Second Adam," the Mashiach Yeshua. (Google "Letter Vav")

Judaism adheres to certain strict standards such as: Matthew 5:18 so I'm a little perplexed why Yahweh is apparently preferred to Yahveh. [quote] "Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen." (CJB) [/quote]Another example of the exactness of Judaism is the following quote:

To qualify, the lulav must be straight, with whole leaves that lay closely together, and not be bent or broken at the top. The twin middle-most leaves, which naturally grow together and are known as the tiyomet (תיומת, "twin"), should ideally not be split at all; however, the lulav remains kosher as long as the twin middle leaves are not split more than a handbreadth, approximating 3-4 inches. This rule applies on the first day of Sukkot in the Land of Isreal, and on the first two days elsewhere. On Chol HaMoed, the disqualifications arising from using a lulav with a split middle leaf do not apply.

Wouldn't it seem out-of-place if lulav was sometimes spelled lulaw and prounced lulaw..

Would really appreciate any insightful reasoning from you and others why we seldom, if ever, see Yahweh spelled Yahveh or pronounce Yahweh as Yahveh, and if you and others have ever used the spelling Yahveh?

 

[pat34lee]

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Would really appreciate any insightful reasoning from you and others why we seldom, if ever, see Yahweh spelled Yahveh or pronounce Yahweh as Yahveh, and if you and others have ever used the spelling Yahveh?

From the page listed below:

[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]In each of the consonant/vowel letters of the Ancient Hebrew language the pronunciation of the consonant is closely related to the pronunciation of the vowel such as the letter “hey” (See above) is “h” and “eh” and the pronunciation of the letter “yud” (See below) is “y” and “iy”. For this reason, it is probable that the original pronunciation of the letter

was with a “w”. In Modern Arabic language, this letter is also pronounced with a “w”. Therefore, the original name of this letter would have been “waw” instead of “vav”.[/FONT]​

The Ancient Hebrew Letters
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[visionary]

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[yedida]

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I've seen this before, but can't remember where . I think it's cool.

 

[WOFFED]

Psalm 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of Yahuah Eloheinu.

Wonder if anyone else has yet really given much thought about your spelling of Yahuah.​

Followed your lead (“Homework for tonight:” post #2) spending most of the long Thanksgiving weekend, plus today meditating, googling, meditating, googling and more of the same. This subject (names of our Heavenly Father), and the Hebrew alphabet has captured my attention in 2012, like never before.

We know that “wau” was considered a vowel in ancient Hebrew. All four letters of the Tetragrammaton are said to be vowels according to Josephus (Wars of the Jews, 5.5.556). Something to consider is that our pronunciation whether using a “V” or “W” may put too much vocal emphasis on these consonants whether pronouncing YaHWeH or JeHoVaH (16th century Catholic rendition). A softer vocalization is the English pronunciation of “Lewis” and the French spelling of “Louis” both having more of a softer vowel sound compared to the consonant sound of w in Yahweh. Instead of V or W it’s possible that U (YHUH)may be just as just or even more just in ancient classical Hebrew than our contemporary pronunciation of YaHWeH or JeHoVaH (YeHoVaH) with vowel marks.

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YHWH​

This most sacred Hebrew name was spoken only ten times once per year during Yom Kippur by the Kohen Gadol. When the people heard this Most Holy Name they prostrated themselves in deep reverence. Elohim is the name given for G-D as the creator of the universe and implies strength, power and justice. Whereas, YHWH can be understood to express the idea of G-D’s desire for a more intimate closeness to humans through vocal communication and writing. For example YHWH breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath of life – “Then Adonai, G-D, formed a person from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being.” Genesis 2:7 (CJB)


Yehoshua, is a combination of Yahweh and yasha that means “He (Yahweh) saves.” Other meaningful implications of “yasha” are: brought salvation, endowed with salvation, help, deliver, preserve, victorious.

Yeah! = "I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice!”​

Therefore God raised him to the highest place and gave him the name above every name; that in honor of the name given Yeshua, every knee will bow — in heaven, on earth and under the earth — and every tongue will acknowledge that Yeshua the Messiah is Adonai — to the glory of God the Father. Philipians 2:9-11 (CJB)

Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities. To him winning the victory I will give some of the hidden man. I will also give him a white stone, on which is written a new name that nobody knows except the one receiving it. Revelation 2:17 (CJB)

His eyes were like a fiery flame, and on his head were many royal crowns. And he had a name written which no one knew but himself. He was wearing a robe that had been soaked in blood, and the name by which he is called is, “THE WORD OF GOD.” The armies of heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. And out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down nations — “He will rule them with a staff of iron.” It is he who treads the winepress from which flows the wine of the furious rage of Adonai, God of heaven’s armies. And on his robe and on his thigh he has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:12-16 (CJB)

va'tehi​

 

[sevengreenbeans]

Keeping His Name Holy is to not make it common.

It makes sense that it would be the Kohen Gadol speaking the Name.

If one would like to use the Name, it would seem respectful to say YodHeyWawHey... YHWH... to keep it Holy.

Also, this prevents mispronunciation, as there is not a consensus on the true pronunciation.

 

[pat34lee]

Keeping His Name Holy is to not make it common.

It makes sense that it would be the Kohen Gadol speaking the Name.

If one would like to use the Name, it would seem respectful to say YodHeyWawHey... YHWH... to keep it Holy.

Also, this prevents mispronunciation, as there is not a consensus on the true pronunciation.

Common does not equal unholy. Otherwise, he could never choose to live among us.

The name has never been hidden in the original languages; only in translations. Before the Babylonian exile, everyone used the name. They blessed using it, and made vows using it. As they were commanded. Try an online bible search for the phrase "name of the Lord" in the OT, and read through the results.

There is no consensus on the pronunciation of the son either, but most use Yeshua for convenience's sake. The decision not to speak the name is always an emotional stance. There are no scriptural reasons not to learn the pronunciation as best we can and to use it. Just the opposite, in fact; not in every sentence, but as often as you would say god or lord or father or hash browns.

 

[bibledoctor]

Am I supposed to be a Messianic Jewish King?...

 

[bibledoctor]

I learned about that from the example of the Old Testament King Saul.

 

[visionary]

Am I supposed to be a Messianic Jewish King?...

Nope.. you fail on all accounts.. You are not Jewish .. you are not a King.. and you are not the Messiah... haven't you heard.. Someone who will go without a name has declared Obama as our Lord and Savior....:ogag:o

 

[bibledoctor]

Ahh, well. I'm used to that by now.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

Common does not equal unholy. Otherwise, he could never choose to live among us.

The name has never been hidden in the original languages; only in translations. Before the Babylonian exile, everyone used the name. They blessed using it, and made vows using it. As they were commanded. Try an online bible search for the phrase "name of the Lord" in the OT, and read through the results.

There is no consensus on the pronunciation of the son either, but most use Yeshua for convenience's sake. The decision not to speak the name is always an emotional stance. There are no scriptural reasons not to learn the pronunciation as best we can and to use it. Just the opposite, in fact; not in every sentence, but as often as you would say god or lord or father or hash browns.

Good points. I believe following the example of when the Name is pronounced and paying attention to who is doing the pronouncing is key to not making it common.

 

[bibledoctor]

In the Old Testament, alot of biblical governments had their king.

 

[yedida]

Common does not equal unholy. Otherwise, he could never choose to live among us.

The name has never been hidden in the original languages; only in translations. Before the Babylonian exile, everyone used the name. They blessed using it, and made vows using it. As they were commanded. Try an online bible search for the phrase "name of the Lord" in the OT, and read through the results.

There is no consensus on the pronunciation of the son either, but most use Yeshua for convenience's sake. The decision not to speak the name is always an emotional stance. There are no scriptural reasons not to learn the pronunciation as best we can and to use it. Just the opposite, in fact; not in every sentence, but as often as you would say god or lord or father or hash browns.

Kadosh simply means set apart. The Bible does not talk churchese. Holy is only that which is set apart for a specific purpose.