N.H. state rep must pay $200K and apologize after drag queens settle defamation case

[Desk trauma]

HOW DO GOD VIEW IT

Don’t care.

 

[comana]

Agreed. It's not the same at all. Since the kilt is masculine, NOT feminine.

What makes it masculine? A man wearing it? Because I’ve seen women’s skirts that look similar.

 

[RileyG]

What makes it masculine? A man wearing it? Because I’ve seen women’s skirts that look similar.

I don't know. It's considered masculine? Again, I don't know.

 

[RileyG]

True conservatives would send their girl children to Pensacola Christian College, where they still have standards. No trousers for women on campus during school hours.

Never heard of that college. I just looked it up. There's no way all of their rules can be enforced. Yikes!

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Of course he can have his hour even if he would rather not and giving him it ruins his plans to cry about how persecuted the American Christian is.

I think a lot of this debate/debacle ties into what I was mentioning before, which is that nobody is having a good-faith honest discussion about these various "story hours"

The far right say "they're groomers and perverts who want to molest kids"
The far left defend by saying "it's just reading stories to kids, what's the big deal??"

Neither is an honest assessment, it's neither a criminally immoral "trying to lure kids into a free-candy van" situation... but nor is it as innocuous as a "we just want want to read books to kids for the sake of doing something nice" situation.

Their own website tells what what they're about, there's no need for speculation.

About | Drag Story Hour

We capture the imagination and play of the gender fluidity of childhood and gives kids glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models.

www.dragstoryhour.org

First off, anyone who just wants to "read to kids" for the sake of promoting overall literacy and doing something nice doesn't have an "our mission" section of the website lol. Mission = Ulterior motive.

That mission is to create the next generation of "allies" who will vote for the policies they want in 10-15 years. You don't need Scooby Doo to solve that mystery.


Drag Story Hour is the left-wing counterpart to the right-wing's "Children's Bible Camp".

Promote a certain set of ideologies to kids when they're young and impressionable, and hopefully in 10 years, it'll "stick" and they'll be political allies... plain & simple.

 

[Desk trauma]

I think a lot of this debate/debacle ties into what I was mentioning before, which is that nobody is having a good-faith honest discussion about these various "story hours"

The far right say "they're groomers and perverts who want to molest kids"
The far left defend by saying "it's just reading stories to kids, what's the big deal??"

Neither is an honest assessment, it's neither a criminally immoral "trying to lure kids into a free-candy van" situation... but nor is it as innocuous as a "we just want want to read books to kids for the sake of doing something nice" situation.

Their own website tells what what they're about, there's no need for speculation.

About | Drag Story Hour

We capture the imagination and play of the gender fluidity of childhood and gives kids glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models.

www.dragstoryhour.org

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First off, anyone who just wants to "read to kids" for the sake of promoting overall literacy and doing something nice doesn't have an "our mission" section of the website lol. Mission = Ulterior motive.

That mission is to create the next generation of "allies" who will vote for the policies they want in 10-15 years. Plain & simple.


Drag Story Hour is the left-wing counterpart to the right-wing's "Children's Bible Camp".

Promote a certain set of ideologies to kids when they're young and impressionable, and hopefully in 10 years, it'll "stick" and they'll be political allies... plain & simple.

Yes, both sides, I know.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Yes, both sides, I know.

Why so dismissive?

I just posted what drag story hour is actually about, creating political allies for the future.
(per their own website)

Why is the reality that both sides are acting dishonestly about this topic met with such derision?

The "Mock someone for bringing up that both sides are complicit in a conflict" is lazy debating.

It basically conveys the idea that as long as the conservative side is worse, the liberal side should be able to do whatever they want, criticism free, because "why are you wasting time attacking the left when the right is so bad???"

 

[Desk trauma]

Why so dismissive?

Experience.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Experience.

That's not an answer.

To have an honest conversation about this, you have to be able to acknowledge that even if the other side is "technically worse at the given time" they can still have valid gripes.


As I mentioned before...you, as a fellow secularist... probably wouldn't be thrilled with idea of your tax dollars being used to host a "Intelligent Design Story Hour" at your local library, as A) it's your money going toward that, and B) even if you didn't let your kid go to it, you know how kids are, if one hears something, all the rest are going to hear it not long after.

Drag story hour for 9 year olds (much like Bible Camp for 9 year olds) isn't about "doing something nice without any ulterior motives". At best, it's self-servingly altruistic, at worst, it's using little kids as political pawns.

Not every political situation has to be a "Superman vs. Lex Luthor" situation where things have to be shoved into a "one side is 100% good, and the other side is 100% bad and you have to choose one" framework. Sometimes political conflicts more closely fit the "two drunk idiots at the bar who fight each other in the parking lot" situation... sure, one probably is more at fault than the other, but people should be able to call both of them idiots without a "Well it's obvious Dan is worse than Steve, so if you mention what Steve did wrong... BoThSIdeS!!!"

 

[Desk trauma]

That's not an answer.

Sure was.

To have an honest conversation about this, you have to be able to acknowledge that even if the other side is "technically worse at the given time" they can still have valid gripes.


As I mentioned before...you, as a fellow secularist... probably wouldn't be thrilled with idea of your tax dollars being used to host a "Intelligent Design Story Hour" at your local library, as A) it's your money going toward that, and B) even if you didn't let your kid go to it, you know how kids are, if one hears something, all the rest are going to hear it not long after.

Drag story hour for 9 year olds (much like Bible Camp for 9 year olds) isn't about "doing something nice without any ulterior motives". At best, it's self-servingly altruistic, at worst, it's using little kids as political pawns.

Not every political situation has to be a "Superman vs. Lex Luthor" situation where things have to be shoved into a "one side is 100% good, and the other side is 100% bad and you have to choose one" framework. Sometimes political conflicts more closely fit the "two drunk idiots at the bar who fight each other in the parking lot" situation... sure, one probably is more at fault than the other, but people should be able to call both of them idiots without a "Well it's obvious Dan is worse than Steve, so if you mention what Steve did wrong... BoThSIdeS!!!"

Yes, both sides, as I said I know.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Sure was. I


Yes, both sides, as I said I know.

So what's your ideal outcome within the current state of US politics? Do you want to see things get elevated, or would you like to see a slow crawl to the bottom?

 

[RoBo1988]

Most people object to children being allowed to watch adult entertainment - which is what drag queen shows are. Why not have pole dancer story hour? Or porn-star story hour?

That's coming up next, I'm sure

 

[RileyG]

That's not an answer.

To have an honest conversation about this, you have to be able to acknowledge that even if the other side is "technically worse at the given time" they can still have valid gripes.


As I mentioned before...you, as a fellow secularist... probably wouldn't be thrilled with idea of your tax dollars being used to host a "Intelligent Design Story Hour" at your local library, as A) it's your money going toward that, and B) even if you didn't let your kid go to it, you know how kids are, if one hears something, all the rest are going to hear it not long after.

Drag story hour for 9 year olds (much like Bible Camp for 9 year olds) isn't about "doing something nice without any ulterior motives". At best, it's self-servingly altruistic, at worst, it's using little kids as political pawns.

Not every political situation has to be a "Superman vs. Lex Luthor" situation where things have to be shoved into a "one side is 100% good, and the other side is 100% bad and you have to choose one" framework. Sometimes political conflicts more closely fit the "two drunk idiots at the bar who fight each other in the parking lot" situation... sure, one probably is more at fault than the other, but people should be able to call both of them idiots without a "Well it's obvious Dan is worse than Steve, so if you mention what Steve did wrong... BoThSIdeS!!!"

Thanks for this post.

It actually is very helpful when people look at BOTH sides of the issue.

As a professor told me in college, in order to be educated you must attempt to understand both sides.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That's coming up next, I'm sure

I don't think so, just because the pole dancers probably don't have a specific political agenda to further.

I elaborated on it earlier... while it's not a "grooming" situation for sexual purposes, these Drag Story Hours are about "getting political allies for the future" (by their own admission on their own website)

"We want these children to grow up being voices for change and see queer people as role models" implies that they want people who will vote for their own interests in 10 years (not unlike Church bible camps)

The lie being told is that "these are just selfless people from a profession who want to do something nice for kids".

They're not even doing proper drag performance for that matter, if they're not doing bawdy skits, then it's not drag, it's just "dude in a dress reading a book promoting LGBT activism"

In fact, one of the comedic aspects of a drag performance was just how "over-the-top" ridiculous it was with regards to the men portraying women. It was basically "stereotype turned up to 11", the fact that a man was dressing up as a woman was part of the "joke"

That's clearly not the type of entertainment being conveyed at the drag story hours.


Now, that's not to bash Christians or LGBT activists...but just admit to what you're doing. In my experience, Christians aren't ashamed to be proselytizing and trying to promulgate their values onto the next generation, in fact, they're very open about what they're trying to do (which makes sense, I can understand someone wanting their kids to have their values in some ways). But the denialism occurring with regards to the Drag Story Hours is borderline comically absurd. "It's just a person from a random profession who wants to do something nice and read to kids"...BS. If that were the case, then they'd be volunteering to do it "out of character".

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Thanks for this post.

It actually is very helpful when people look at BOTH sides of the issue.

As a professor told me in college, in order to be educated you must attempt to understand both sides.

Yeah, I don't know why "BoThSiDEs" became a point of ridicule on these forums...I suspect it was an easy way for people to side step valid points of debate and get some easy "likes" and portray it as if they won the debate, but without actually having to address the subject matter.

 

[RileyG]

I don't think so, just because the pole dancers probably don't have a specific political agenda to further.

I elaborated on it earlier... while it's not a "grooming" situation for sexual purposes, these Drag Story Hours are about "getting political allies for the future" (by their own admission on their own website)

"We want these children to grow up being voices for change and see queer people as role models" implies that they want people who will vote for their own interests in 10 years (not unlike Church bible camps)

The lie being told is that "these are just selfless people from a profession who want to do something nice for kids".

They're not even doing proper drag performance for that matter, if they're not doing bawdy skits, then it's not drag, it's just "dude in a dress reading a book promoting LGBT activism"

In fact, one of the comedic aspects of a drag performance was just how "over-the-top" ridiculous it was with regards to the men portraying women. It was basically "stereotype turned up to 11", the fact that a man was dressing up as a woman was part of the "joke"

That's clearly not the type of entertainment being conveyed at the drag story hours.

Ah, yes. They want children to be their future allies, and forgive the terminology, activists.

That makes sense. I understand that.

It would be very ironic if they end up being opposed to the queer community.

[I don’t think queer is considered offensive anymore, is it?]

 

[RileyG]

Yeah, I don't know why "BoThSiDEs" became a point of ridicule on these forums...I suspect it was an easy way for people to side step valid points of debate and get some easy "likes" and portray it as if they won the debate, but without actually having to address the subject matter.

In order to be educated, you have to understand and listen to both sides of the issue.

That’s just how it is.

 

[PloverWing]

[I don’t think queer is considered offensive anymore, is it?]

It's a former pejorative that's in the process of being reclaimed. I see a lot of younger LGBT folks self-identifying as "queer". Some older folks still remember it being an insult, and thus are more cautious. But I do see positive uses of phrases like "queer community", "queer theology", and "queer arts festival". As long as the speaker is known to be LGBT-affirming, it should be fine.

 

[PloverWing]

Ah, yes. They want children to be their future allies, and forgive the terminology, activists.

That makes sense. I understand that.

It would be very ironic if they end up being opposed to the queer community.

I agree that one of the goals of Drag Story Hour is to communicate to children that gender nonconformity is a natural part of human diversity. Some will view this as a positive message, and others will view this as a negative message; parents should make choices accordingly.

It's a little odd to me that Drag Story Hour has become as popular as it is. Personally, I think there are other ways of communicating messages about gender nonconformity that are more effective. But the couple of DSH events I've attended seemed to be harmless entertainment (assuming the parents are okay with the implied message).

It is, of course, a terrible slander to accuse people of being sex offenders just because they perform in drag, and I'm glad the performers in the OP won their lawsuit.

 

[Belk]

Comparing a kilt to a drag queen getup is yet another false equivalency.

Both are dressing in clothing outside of the societal norm. That seems equivalent to me. Explain how that is false.