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But they do speak of a passage of time, do they not?

As I've already noted, yes, they do. Just like an organism being mature in reality requires that they've aged to that point. There's no requirement for that inherent to the idea, though, where that requirement is inherent if you say that something's old.

"Age" is a noun, and nouns can be embedded in things; like stones embedded in snowballs.

Not all nouns can be embedded in other things. Age is a quality that something can have referring to how much time it's been in existence. That would be just as impossible to embed in something else as an abstract concept would be.

Adam & Eve had maturity without a history.

Nothing inherently wrong with that idea.

They were some 20 - 30 years old when they came into existence.

They may have had a level of maturity expected from something 20-30 years old, but that doesn't make them actually that old. If they've just come into existence, they're a few seconds old even if they're adults.

I'm going to disagree with this.But I'm talking about mature without history.What you're describing is what is called "Apparent Age Creation," and I don't believe in Apparent Age Creation, as Apparent Age Creation implies it only looks old.

In Embedded Age Creation, it looks old because it is old.Correct.That is correct.

This is, for reasons I've already noted, impossible. Something that has only existed for a short time can appear old. It can't be old, because "old" requires existence for a long time.

That is why I don't include them.

At the end of the Creation Week, there were no fossils, or anything else you mentioned.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but where did they come from, then?
 
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Age is a quality that something can have referring to how much time it's been in existence. That would be just as impossible to embed in something else as an abstract concept would be.
Merriam-Webster has nine definitions of "old," and four definitions of "age."

Here is their fourth definition of "age":

": an individual's development measured in terms of the years requisite for like development of an average individual"
MadotsukiInTheNexus said:
They may have had a level of maturity expected from something 20-30 years old, but that doesn't make them actually that old.
That is correct.

What made them actually that old was and act of God, not an expectation.
MadotsukiInTheNexus said:
If they've just come into existence, they're a few seconds old even if they're adults.
I agree.

As I have said here many times:

Adam was 30 years old physically; one day old existentially.
 
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Adam was 30 years old physically; one day old existentially.

Then he was one day old and apoeared to be 30 years old.

No definition of age makes him 30 years old under those premises. Not even magic.
 
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Then he was one day old and apoeared to be 30 years old.
That is correct.

He was one day old existentially, and appeared to be 30 years old physically because he was 30 years old physically.
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No definition of age makes him 30 years old under those premises.
I disagree.
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Not even magic.
Miracles could though.

Magic can take a hike.

I suppose you don't think He can be the triune Godhead either, do you?

After all, it would violate Madotsuki's worldly logic, wouldn't it?
 
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That is correct.

He was one day old existentially, and appeared to be 30 years old physically because he was 30 years old physically.I disagree.Miracles could though.

Magic can take a hike.

I suppose you don't think He can be the triune Godhead either, do you?

After all, it would violate Madotsuki's worldly logic, wouldn't it?

No, under those circumstances he is one day old, period.

There is no difference between magic or miracles. So no, miracles cant either.

I dont belive in god(s) so I dont believe in godheads either.
 
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No, under those circumstances he is one day old, period.

There is no difference between magic or miracles. So no, miracles cant either.

I dont belive in god(s) so I dont believe in godheads either.
Looks like cause-and-effect in action.

Effect: There is no difference between magic or miracles.
Cause: I don't believe in god(s).

No wonder you think he was 'one day old period.'

I'm surprised you believe in him at all.
 
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Looks like cause-and-effect in action.

Effect: There is no difference between magic or miracles.
Cause: I don't believe in god(s).

No wonder you think he was 'one day old period.'

I'm surprised you believe in him at all.

Your use of cause and effect is wrong (as usual).

Of course I dont belive in him.

And I dont think he is one day old, he is one day old. Terms and words have meanings.
 
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I dont care about the bible.
Cause-and-effect will cause confusion and an inability to understand.

I don't care about science when it comes to using it against the Bible; and I hope my ignorance of science is noticeable.

I wear my ignorance like a badge.
 
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Cause-and-effect will cause confusion and an inability to understand.

I don't care about science when it comes to using it against the Bible; and I hope my ignorance of science is noticeable.

I wear my ignorance like a badge.

Science is just a description of physical reality. Being ignorant about physical reality is foolish.
 
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Merriam-Webster has nine definitions of "old," and four definitions of "age."

There are different kinds of age (including saying that something has a mental/emotional age above or below its existential age, which appears to be the concept that the dictionary is referring to here), but it seems like what you're referring to is the quality of something being actually a certain number of years of age. That sort of age requires a certain length of existence

Adam was 30 years old physically; one day old existentially.

Then he was one day old with the physique of a 30 year old man.

After all, it would violate Madotsuki's worldly logic, wouldn't it?

I don't really think that this person cares what I think. Their argument seems to be entirely separate from mine. As someone who's studied world religions quite a lot, your idea is pretty uniquely yours (I mean, at least as far as I'm aware; it's maybe something that your church teaches, but it's definitely not a major school of thought and never has been). A lot of people with a variety of different beliefs are going to disagree with it.
 
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A lot of people with a variety of different beliefs are going to disagree with it.
That's their prerogative.

I have a slew of thought-provoking challenges I've issued over the years here: just for them.
 
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