My Unoffensive Challenge

[Subduction Zone]

They paid a dear price for it ... captivity.

Nope, according to the story they put themselves in Egypt. And they did not pay anything to the people that had that land. To pay someone the goods used for paying has to go to the correction party.

In dispensation theology, each dispensation ends in a judgment from God.

So what? There is no excuse for that theology. Try again. You are simply abbusing that theology to cover up some errors in the Bible.

The dispensation that ended the dispensation of Promise was the Egyptian Captivity.They didn't have to.[/qoute]

Wrong again. That is not a valid justification. One can seem to justify anything with that sort of argument, which means that you can't justify anything.

Listen to the words of Rahab the harlot:

Joshua 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.Rahab says otherwise.

Nope, that is only the claim of the author of that passage that those were the words of Rahab. The writer of that verse could write anything that he wanted to. You need something a lot stronger than the Bible to support your claims.

Do you have any valid evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, according to the story they put themselves in Egypt.

Ya.

Seventy people willingly went to Egypt.

What's your point?

And they did not pay anything to the people that had that land.

Really?

Who was it that saved Egypt and made it a superpower?

Can you say, "Joseph"?

Years later, who was it that had to watch their children die at birth when Pharaoh enacted a genocide plan against them?

 

[CrystalDragon]

Then they're lying.

There were several other people above me who posted specific verses. They aren't lying, they're telling the truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

There were several other people above me who posted specific verses. They aren't lying, they're telling the truth.

Okay.

KJVO

 

[Cearbhall]

It's only when the literal understanding begins to intrude into knowledge of the scripture that things may become offensive to me; not in the harmlessness of the academic musings and hypothesizings, but in such a case that it becomes guilty of robbing people of the spiritual truth contained in all of the scripture.

It's not that I would say "Your literal understanding is certainly wrong" since I cannot be certain of what the narrative may literally mean; but I would say "The literal understanding is not the point, and by thrusting literal understanding into the mind, you are holding people back from understanding the spiritual understanding, which is all that matters."

This is what my Catholic high school made sure to teach us. The reality of evolution doesn't change the significance of the Bible. The purpose of Genesis is not to teach history or science. The story of Creation did not literally happen, but that's not how scripture should be judged. The messages are what's important.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You first.

Perhaps I should have said with something besides wild unsubstantiated interpretations of the Bible made merely to excuse the flaws of the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya.

Seventy people willingly went to Egypt.

What's your point?Really?

Since that part of the Bible appears to be fictitious I was merely following what the Bible said.

Who was it that saved Egypt and made it a superpower?

Can you say, "Joseph"?

No, Again, there is no reason to think that part of the Bible is to be taken literally at all. They are morality tales at best.

Years later, who was it that had to watch their children die at birth when Pharaoh enacted a genocide plan against them?

Once again, not to be taken literally. That results in all sorts of trouble if one does that.

 

[Cearbhall]

But, you forget...evolution above species level has NEVER been shown to occur. Only speculated.

Creation has never been known to occur, either...

What other explanation for the beginning of any species is there, really? Even if you believe that God is the cause of everything, what reason is there to think that he's been poofing species into existence for billions of years in a logical sequence? If that was his plan, why would he choose such a disjointed method over the option of designing the universe in such a way that macroevolution could occur?

 

[Paul Finch]

Then they're lying.

I thought you stood by the Bible? every one of your posts has "The Bible says it, that settles it." on it, have you abandoned that now?

 

[AV1611VET]

I thought you stood by the Bible?

You thought correctly.

But I don't recognize your "scripture" postings as such.

There is only one Bible ... the AV1611 King James Bible.

Everything else is just fiction.

 

[Moral Orel]

Nevermind the fact that "slavery" is not mentioned once in the Bible.

Huh, then I guess the Israelites were just indentured servants in Egypt. Weird.

 

[AV1611VET]

Huh, then I guess the Israelites were just indentured servants in Egypt. Weird.

Bondmen.

Deuteronomy 6:21 Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:

 

[Moral Orel]

Bondmen.

Deuteronomy 6:21 Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:

BOND'MAN, n. bond and man. A man slave, or one bound to service without wages. From AV1611.com

And then...

Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Leviticus 25:44 KJV

So yeah, slavery A-O-K. Does the NT say to stop?

 

[AV1611VET]

Does the NT say to stop?

Am I a hypocrite for not having one?

 

[Moral Orel]

Am I a hypocrite for not having one?

Never said anything about that. Do you agree the Bible condones slavery?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you agree the Bible condones slavery?

No.

In the same sense I don't think It condones divorce, even though It says:

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

 

[Moral Orel]

No.

In the same sense I don't think It condones divorce, even though It says:

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

But Jesus didn't come along and say, "God let you have bondsmen because you were hard, now I say cut it out". So when did it stop condoning slavery? The OT very clearly condones it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What's so unoffensive about evolution that it can't be considered anathema maranatha?

I don't know.
Can you imagine what that guy's reaction would be
if someone said the "Mona Lisa" was painted by colorful slugs ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No.

In the same sense I don't think It condones divorce, even though It says:

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Have you read the Jewish Believers websites
like "the marriage bed is upside down" (I haven't checked the last couple months to see if it survived) ?
Remember
Jesus said if a man LOOKS at a woman with lust in his heart,
he has ALREADY COMMITTED adultery (a sin that has the penalty of death still) .

i.e. Jesus made things more strict, not less strict, than they were before HE was born.

 

[AV1611VET]

So when did it stop condoning slavery? The OT very clearly condones it.

The Old Testament regulates [slavery]; just as it regulates divorce.

The attitude is: if you're going to do it, do it this way.

Psalm 106:15 And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.

God has a perfect will, and He has a permissive will.