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My Two Cents on the Necessity of God

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Throughout the scripture it is clearly stated that in heaven their will be no religion but Jesus will be all.

The prostitute and the tax collector is the first to enter the kingdom of heavens

One cannot say they have faith without good deeds . Abraham offered his son as a sacrifice to God
Which means faith without good deeds is a lie.
This is stated throughout the bible.

Most important command of God is love your neighbor as yourself
 
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Throughout the scripture it is clearly stated that in heaven their will be no religion but Jesus will be all.

The prostitute and the tax collector is the first to enter the kingdom of heavens

One cannot say they have faith without good deeds . Abraham offered his son as a sacrifice to God
Which means faith without good deeds is a lie.
This is stated throughout the bible.

Most important command of God is love your neighbor as yourself
Welcome to CF.

Prepare to have your faith questioned here!
 
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I believe God only exists out of mankind's necessity for an entity such as God.
Either we created God or God created us. I have no doubt that the God you believe in is a product of your own imagination. Your the one that does not believe that the God I believe in Created me.
 
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Either we created God or God created us. I have no doubt that the God you believe in is a product of your own imagination. Your the one that does not believe that the God I believe in Created me.
Indeed.

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
 
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Either we created God or God created us. I have no doubt that the God you believe in is a product of your own imagination. Your the one that does not believe that the God I believe in Created me.
Anyone can believe anything they like it means nothing, your belief is only in your mind, where else could it be?
does believing something make it true? I for one certainly hope not.
 
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your belief is only in your mind, where else could it be?
I did construction work for 50 years. I can get it to work in the real world. That is what counts. Some people can get the job done and some people can not. It is what happens when the rubber meets the road, that is what counts. That is when a tire is put to the test.
 
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Anyone can believe anything they like it means nothing, your belief is only in your mind, where else could it be?
does believing something make it true? I for one certainly hope not.
I did construction work for 50 years. I can get it to work in the real world. That is what counts. Some people can get the job done and some people can not. It is what happens when the rubber meets the road, that is what counts. That is when a tire is put to the test.
Let's see you get your beliefs to work in the real world, it's when BS meets the real world that's when it really counts.
When brains stop working that's when BS and beliefs bite the dust.
 
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I believe God only exists out of mankind's necessity for an entity such as God.

People want to live forever, so Christianity gives them eternal life in Heaven.
People want revenge, so Christianity gives them "divine retribution." No one wants to feel victimized while totally helpless.
People want security, so Christianity gives them a god that watches over them constantly.
People want to feel like they aren't wasting their time in a religion; they want to feel useful, and to feel that their efforts toward the religion aren't wasted. So, Christianity gives them the sense that they are a part of "God's plan".
People don't want to be plagued by doubt that they are wrong in this belief, so they create an infallible god, one that wields infinite power.
People don't want to watch over would-be criminals and prevent people from questioning their theology constantly, so they create a hell, to prevent the faithful from even thinking of commiting a crime. Or thinking at all.
People want to believe that their good deeds won't go unrewarded, so Christianity gives them a reward in heaven.
People want money, so Christianity sets up offerings to God; essentially collections of money sans the added question of where the money is going. Undoubtably, it will be used for "God's plan."
People want others to follow these imposed rules created by Christianity, so Christianity sets up eternal punishment for those who don't believe; something too horrible to risk nonbelief against.
Each of these things caters to a specific group. When combined, it would seem that there is hardly a group of people left that wouldn't want the security and community provided by the Christian church. After all, no one wants to be robbed as they roam the streets, or to be helpless within the enormity of the world and the universe with no one else to guide them in their troubles.

Which brings me to this point: It is convenient to believe in God. It is an easier alternative than having to deal with rotting in the ground after you take that fateful last breath. However, Christianity robs people of potentially life-saving techniques and forces people to live a life with children for whom they had no desire to have, on the basis of a constantly warping theology that can be interpreted a million different ways. I doubt Christians from two thousand, one thousand, or five hundred years in the past believed in a religion even remotely resembling the Christianity of today. The Church has been proven fallible in the past; once, clergymen sold absolution for money, a practice that would be looked upon as despicable in retrospect. Christianity's stubborn unwillingness to change now may be looked upon as being in the same vein.

I am not a proponent of another religion. I aim not to support a scientific theory, which are equally fallible as any religion. I am simply a skeptic, and the ideals behind Christianity, to me, seem highly suspect, catering to the individual rather than stemming from some kind of divine inspiration. I'm not here to convert anyone toward my beliefs.
Actually it was very inconvenient to believe in God and be a Christian for the early Christians, they were killed for their belief. All people die and have to go through the process of death, now while living forever is a great deal, I'd rather live and die and have God in my life than to live and die without Him. Christians may have a great many interpretations in their faith but ALL believe that Jesus lived, was crucified for our sins and lives again. ALL. People are people including the "Church" people, clergymen and Priests alike, they are not God or Jesus. We can look back at the Old Testament and find that words written thousands of years ago are almost identical to those found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The New testament itself could be written just by church documents. Christianity doesn't rob anyone of life-saving techniques and why you would believe it forces people to live a life with children (what ever than means?)?

It seems your idea of Christianity is what might be warped.
 
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I believe God only exists out of mankind's necessity for an entity such as God.

People want to live forever, so Christianity gives them eternal life in Heaven.
People want revenge, so Christianity gives them "divine retribution." No one wants to feel victimized while totally helpless.
People want security, so Christianity gives them a god that watches over them constantly.
People want to feel like they aren't wasting their time in a religion; they want to feel useful, and to feel that their efforts toward the religion aren't wasted. So, Christianity gives them the sense that they are a part of "God's plan".
People don't want to be plagued by doubt that they are wrong in this belief, so they create an infallible god, one that wields infinite power.
People don't want to watch over would-be criminals and prevent people from questioning their theology constantly, so they create a hell, to prevent the faithful from even thinking of commiting a crime. Or thinking at all.
People want to believe that their good deeds won't go unrewarded, so Christianity gives them a reward in heaven.
People want money, so Christianity sets up offerings to God; essentially collections of money sans the added question of where the money is going. Undoubtably, it will be used for "God's plan."
People want others to follow these imposed rules created by Christianity, so Christianity sets up eternal punishment for those who don't believe; something too horrible to risk nonbelief against.
Each of these things caters to a specific group. When combined, it would seem that there is hardly a group of people left that wouldn't want the security and community provided by the Christian church. After all, no one wants to be robbed as they roam the streets, or to be helpless within the enormity of the world and the universe with no one else to guide them in their troubles.

Which brings me to this point: It is convenient to believe in God. It is an easier alternative than having to deal with rotting in the ground after you take that fateful last breath. However, Christianity robs people of potentially life-saving techniques and forces people to live a life with children for whom they had no desire to have, on the basis of a constantly warping theology that can be interpreted a million different ways. I doubt Christians from two thousand, one thousand, or five hundred years in the past believed in a religion even remotely resembling the Christianity of today. The Church has been proven fallible in the past; once, clergymen sold absolution for money, a practice that would be looked upon as despicable in retrospect. Christianity's stubborn unwillingness to change now may be looked upon as being in the same vein.

I am not a proponent of another religion. I aim not to support a scientific theory, which are equally fallible as any religion. I am simply a skeptic, and the ideals behind Christianity, to me, seem highly suspect, catering to the individual rather than stemming from some kind of divine inspiration. I'm not here to convert anyone toward my beliefs.


You should stick to the science.

Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that's not a joke ... - Science 2.0
 
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People want to live forever, so Christianity gives them eternal life in Heaven.

Jesus did offer that, but the disiples are believed to all have
died for their instance on the resurrection. So it was not a
healthy or easy decision for tens of thousands.
 
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Throughout the scripture it is clearly stated that in heaven their will be no religion but Jesus will be all.

The prostitute and the tax collector is the first to enter the kingdom of heavens

One cannot say they have faith without good deeds . Abraham offered his son as a sacrifice to God
Which means faith without good deeds is a lie.
This is stated throughout the bible.

Most important command of God is love your neighbor as yourself

What about good deeds, without faith?
 
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Actually it was very inconvenient to believe in God and be a Christian for the early Christians, they were killed for their belief.

There are martyrs in every religion.
People believing something, does not make that something correct, nore does it lend any credibility to that something either. Also not if they happen to believe it really, really, really hard.

Just look at ISIS. Jihadists believe in their religion SO HARD, they are happily sacrificing their lives in suicide attacks, with a BIG smile on their face.

I'm quite sure that that doesn't impress you at all.
 
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Which comes when? once a week?
No, for believers who are convinced then I think the peace of mind should be constant right up until the end.
Apparently my brother who I can hardly remember was on a high for months before he died, a family friend said he was high on the drug called belief, it certainly worked for him because I was told he died smiling.
 
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There are martyrs in every religion.
People believing something, does not make that something correct, nore does it lend any credibility to that something either. Also not if they happen to believe it really, really, really hard.

Just look at ISIS. Jihadists believe in their religion SO HARD, they are happily sacrificing their lives in suicide attacks, with a BIG smile on their face.

I'm quite sure that that doesn't impress you at all.
Sorry I didn't see this in my notifications.

The difference is that the Christians would have known whether or not Jesus died and rose again. Many will die if they believe it is true, you would be hard pressed to find someone who would die knowing something was not true.
 
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