My thoughts on creationism

[Amoeba]

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[DaisyDay]

Does that qualify as "thoughts"?

 

[Assyrian]

The thread was posted in the wrong place, you will find it over at
http://www.christianforums.com/t7388141/

 

[DaisyDay]

Thanks, those are thoughts, indeed.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Christianity & Evolution Are Compatible...A Reflection Hi, I'm new, and I just wanted to expound on creationism. Also, when I use the word creationism, I also mean intelligent design.

First of all, Christians can believe in God and evolution, and be 100% content in their compatibility. If anyone states that evolution disproves god, or that you can't be a christian and believe in evolution, just know...they are full of it...

Creationism is full of logical holes and assumptions based on ideological grounds...in fact, I believe it puts God in a box, a box which he does not belong. It limits God to an interpretation not based in reality. Why is it not based in reality? Because the scientific data does not support it. Science itself allows the experiment to dictate the results. But creationists turn this on its head. They know the answer. They are simply trying to make the experiment fit into their preconceived view of reality. That is not science. And if you believe in God, you should also believe that science is the pursuit of knowing the mind of God.

Creationism relies on a false dichotomy. The creationists I have seen (i.e. Ken Ham, etc) main goal is not to prove creationism. Their main goal is disprove evolution, and the logic is, "If we disprove evolution, then creationism must be right." Unfortunately for them, disproving evolution does not prove creationism, especially given the fact that the proposition, "God created the universe", is a completely unprovable proposition within the realm of science. So to say creationism is science is a blatant oxymoron because "God" cannot be empirically studied. Intelligent design included.

Evolution says nothing about god or the existence god. If anything, if you are a Christian, you should be amazed at the fact of evolution, biological and cosmic. That God, in his logic, created a universe which evolves according to physical laws, and this evolution, after 13.7 billion years, resulted in you. It took 13.7 billion years of evolution for you to exist, and the fact that you even exist, that all the events during this insurmountable amount of time, resulted in your birth, is simply amazing. Evolution is a miracle and to deny it, in my opinion, is to deny reality. It is a fact, and if God created this universe, and us, it was done by evolution.

The Bible is full of wisdom, history, and theology. But it is NOT a scientific document. Let me repeat that. THE BIBLE IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENT. There is a real problem with creationist "science" because it is based on a non-scientific document and assumed to be the answer to all scientific questions of our origins.

One of creationists main focuses are human evolution. They just cannot believe that we evolved from ape-like ancestors, or single-celled organisms. A good one I've heard while in church was, "They want us to believe we evolved from pond scum! Pond scum." Well, perhaps not "pond scum", but we are essentially made out of dirt. Even the bible says (Gen 2:7), "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." 13.7 billion years condensed into one sentence! Amazing! All living things are made of the same carbon based chemical concoction. Yes, we are made of the same stuff as trees, fish, and yes, apes. That is not to say we are a tree or fish or an ape (though we are in the same super-family).

So to conclude. Evolution is a fact. If you are a Christian and questioning whether you can believe in God and evolution, you can! Wonder in amazement that an almost infinite number of events over a incomprehensible amount of time (13.7 billion years), led to your birth, your life, both of which, should have statistically never happened! Reflect on that.

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[MorkandMindy]

Christianity & Evolution Are Compatible...A Reflection

Hi, I'm new, and I just wanted to expound on creationism. Also, when I use the word creationism, I also mean intelligent design.

First of all, Christians can believe in God and evolution, and be 100% content in their compatibility. If anyone states that evolution disproves god, or that you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution, just know...they are full of it...

There are about a 100 million Christians in the US and a number in other countries who would disagree with this.

I think the root problem is that Christian is not a specific belief system.

Some believe in predestination, others were predestined not to.

Some believe there is a consistent message through both Testaments and between the gospels and the epistles and this is Covenant Theology, others believe there was a clear change of policy from the law to grace and this is called 'Dispensationalism'. There doesn't seem to be a middle road between these two either and the battles between them are fierce.

The earliest schools of theology were mainly Universalist, but this is now a small denomination despite the clear Biblical basis for it.

The authority of scripture is seen differently by different people and denominations. Certain people decided which scriptures to put in the canon and which to omit and there were many opinions on these decisions. Recently there has been a reduction down to the 66 books used by the Protestants giving the appearance of unanimity but historically there were many opinions and only fear of banishment brought general agreement in 325.

The Bible can not determine what goes into the Bible so there is a logical problem in putting the Bible at the top of the pyramid.

But could the Protestant schism have been possible if Protestants had held the Bishop of Rome as the ultimate authority?

The amount Christians agree on is only determined by your definition of what you consider to be a Christian.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I don't see how the Bible and evolution can be reconciled:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul...

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and

every fowl of the air

These passages appear to say:

1. Life originated on land not in the oceans
2. Life originated from silicates not sulfur compounds
3. Humans and animals had separate origins, and it appears each of the

beasts and fowl also had it's own separate origin

1 and 2 are contrary to the fossil records and our understanding of the physical world and likely mechanisms for abiogenesis

and 3 is completely contrary to evolution

 

[Assyrian]

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