My theory on creation.

[tevans9129]

When was roughly 13.8 billion years ago, at least that was when the universe as we know it began. I could link you to the work of physicists, but what they do is to measure how fast various galaxies are retreating from us and work backwards. To appreciate the answer you might need to learn quite a bit of basic science first.

Did I ask the age that science believes the universe to be or did I ask about space, matter, energy and time? IOW, you cannot answer the questions that I asked, correct?

Where, when and how did space, matter, energy and time come into existence and in what sequence, using empirical evidence for your answer?

"Because of the limitations of the laws of science, we can't make any guesses about the instant the universe came into being. Instead, we can look at the period immediately following the creation of the universe."

How the Big Bang Theory Works

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, I was not aware that the Genesis account had anything to do with science, at least that is what I have been told 14393 times, more or less. Furthermore, my "theory" was not about science and the word "theory" is a common English word as I quoted from MW.

Correct, Genesis is merely a myth. A best the book can be seen as a series of morality tales.

And once again, you should have used a different word here or clearly made your misuse of that word clear from the start.

 

[tevans9129]

Would you like the scientific definition of time.

Did I ask for the definition of time? Here are the questions that I asked, do you see your answer for any of them?

Time seems to be stated in microseconds, seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years and light years, therefore, if there is no sun and earth's rotation, what are those units based on?

If, there is no intelligence to measure time, how can you prove the time dimension exists?

If, the time dimension did not exist until the sixth day, what effect would that have on setting the age of the universe?

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

God does not need Sun or Moon to show him time , he just knows what time is it , because he know everything which is true .

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

Too long, didn't read. Here is a question for you:

What reasonable test could demonstrate that your "theory" is wrong, it is wrong? If you cannot think of a way of testing your concept all that you have is an ad hoc explanation and that is worthless in the world of science.

Second, how do you explain the mountains of scientific evidence supporting the theory of evolution and the total lack of such evidence for creationism? Again, if you can't answer that question all you have is an ad hoc explanation, and those are once again worthless.

Too long didn't read
Theory of evolution has no evidence , that's why it's called theory after 150 years and not law of evolution .

 

[tevans9129]

Correct, Genesis is merely a myth. A best the book can be seen as a series of morality tales.

And once again, you should have used a different word here or clearly made your misuse of that word clear from the start.

What does this tell you, if anything? It was in the OP.

I happen to be one that believes God said what He meant and He meant what he said so I have a theory about the NEC vs OEC.

If that does not give you a hint, my apologies but I will still use the common English definition of the word "theory" when appropriate.

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

If you accept Genesis 1:1 you have no problem with other verse in bible , just as God created 30 year old Adam and not baby , he could create 15b old universe and not baby universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

Welcome to CF, tevans!

Nice to have you aboard!

 

[pitabread]

Therefore, unless man can provide a provable explanation, using empirical evidence, of where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence and in what sequence, I choose to believe in the supernatural.

Based on the above statement, would you say that your faith is contingent on not having a better explanation that you find palatable?

 

[tevans9129]

Welcome to CF, tevans!

Nice to have you aboard!

Thanks AV, much appreciated.

 

[tevans9129]

Based on the above statement, would you say that your faith is contingent on not having a better explanation that you find palatable?

No, I would not, my faith is based on how much of scripture that can be proven with archaeological, historical records, circumstantial evidence and the scriptures themselves. Specifically, predictive prophecy which had a huge influence on my faith.

 

[pitabread]

No, I would not, my faith is based on how much of scripture that can be proven with archaeological, historical records, circumstantial evidence and the scriptures themselves. Specifically, predictive prophecy which had a huge influence on my faith.

So then would it be irrelevant what explanations there are for the origin of the universe whether or not you believe in the supernatural?

 

[tevans9129]

So then would it be irrelevant what explanations there are for the origin of the universe whether or not you believe in the supernatural?

Not at all...as long as you start "in the beginning" and if there is empirical evidence for when, how and where space, matter, energy, time and natural laws came into existence and the sequence of those events. Can you answer those questions, as they are asked?

 

[pitabread]

Not at all...as long as you start "in the beginning" and if there is empirical evidence for when, how and where space, matter, energy, time and natural laws came into existence and the sequence of those events.

Well, I'm confused since you appear to be suggesting both that a scientific explanation for the origin of the universe both will and won't affect your belief in the supernatural...

Can you answer those questions, as they are asked?

About the origin of space, time, natural laws, etc? No. But then again, I don't worry about it.

The universe happened. That's good enough for me.

 

[tevans9129]

Well, I'm confused since you appear to be suggesting both that a scientific explanation for the origin of the universe both will and won't affect your belief in the supernatural...

Simple, science "theory" when it cannot answer the questions I asked will not affect my belief. OTOH, provide empirical evidence that answers my questions and it would have an effect.

About the origin of space, time, natural laws, etc? No. But then again, I don't worry about it.

The universe happened. That's good enough for me.

Wow, sure sounds like faith to me. The only eyewitness to the event claims that He created all things and that is good enough for me.

 

[pitabread]

Simple, science "theory" when it cannot answer the questions I asked will not affect my belief. OTOH, provide empirical evidence that answers my questions and it would have an effect.

So when I asked, "Based on the above statement, would you say that your faith is contingent on not having a better explanation that you find palatable?", it sounds like the answer is really "yes".

Wow, sure sounds like faith to me.

What faith? I don't know the answers to the origins of the universe. I'm perfectly comfortable not knowing. I don't consider that "faith", just lack of knowledge.

 

[tevans9129]

I'm perfectly comfortable not knowing. I don't consider that "faith", just lack of knowledge.

OK, you have a lack of knowledge as to how the universe was created in the beginning and I have a lack of knowledge of how God was created but we both believe the universe was created so, how do we know that all of this is real, perhaps it is all just an electrical simulation that just happened in the beginning, none of it is real?

From my perspective, you have no answer of where the components needed for creation came from but it seems to me that you have faith they were created.

 

[pitabread]

OK, you have a lack of knowledge as to how the universe was created in the beginning and I have a lack of knowledge of how God was created but we both believe the universe was created so, how do we know that all of this is real, perhaps it is all just an electrical simulation that just happened in the beginning, none of it is real?

From my perspective, you have no answer of where the components needed for creation came from but it seems to me that you have faith they were created.

I don't know if the universe was 'created' though. Only that it likely had an early former which was more condensed that its current form, at least based on what we know of cosmology.

My base philosophy includes the belief that the universe exists, is real and I can interact with it. If I didn't believe at least that much, then existence wouldn't have much meaning now would it?

 

[tevans9129]

I don't know if the universe was 'created' though. Only that it likely had an early former which was more condensed that its current form, at least based on what we know of cosmology.

My base philosophy includes the belief that the universe exists, is real and I can interact with it. If I didn't believe at least that much, then existence wouldn't have much meaning now would it?

"don't know...likely had...belief...believe"

So you do have beliefs, faith...me also.

 

[pitabread]

So you do have beliefs, faith...me also.

To the extent that one characterizes belief in the existence of the universe as a "faith", sure. But I would think most people share that basic faith in things.