My Ten Tribes Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Yes .. the Bible a major source for causing many of the world's disagreements.

Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

 

[sjastro]

Maybe you need to see my standards again then:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

I reject things because the BIBLE rejects them.

And how does the master of nonsensical, incoherent, illogical and irrational posts classify these comments under your "heuristics".

Bible says adultery and fornication are punishable by death.
AV says adultery and fornication need a lesser punishment.

To which you replied the Old Testament is basically irrelevant compared to the New Testament.

Adultery and fornication?
Is that the best you can come up with?
Shouldn't I be submitting lambs and goats and bullocks to a high priest for sacrifice as well?
And ... get this ... I just recently celebrated Easter.
Not Passover!

 

[SelfSim]

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.. such a hurry to leave the place we rely on for our existence!
One of your QEDs there .. ie: demonstrating the Bible's effect of creating major discontent amongst the living and, perhaps, even disrespect for the fact of our reliance on this Earth as the sole resource for our existence!

 

[Kylie]

Maybe you need to see my standards again then:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

I reject things because the BIBLE rejects them.

You reject things because your interpretation of the Bible disagrees with them, at least that's how it seems to me. Plenty of people (such as my husband) have no problem with understanding that the Bible isn't always meant to be taken literally, and so have no problem with their faith coexisting with their acceptance of the real world evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

You reject things because your interpretation of the Bible disagrees with them, at least that's how it seems to me. Plenty of people (such as my husband) have no problem with understanding that the Bible isn't always meant to be taken literally, and so have no problem with their faith coexisting with their acceptance of the real world evidence.

I take all of the Bible literally, do I?

Yes -- the Bible is to be taken literally, but It does contain some allegory as well.

Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

 

[Kylie]

I take all of the Bible literally, do I?

Yes -- the Bible is to be taken literally, but It does contain some allegory as well.

Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Luckily, you somehow know how to correctly determine which bits are allegorical and which are literal...

And how does the allegory fit into your standards?

If the Bible says it, but it's allegorical, and science says something different, then... what?

 

[AV1611VET]

Luckily, you somehow know how to correctly determine which bits are allegorical and which are literal...

And how does the allegory fit into your standards?

If the Bible says it, but it's allegorical, and science says something different, then... what?

As long as it doesn't contradict the Bible ...

 

[Kylie]

As long as it doesn't contradict the Bible ...

What if science says something contradicts a literal interpretation of a part of the Bible that was only meant allegorically?

 

[Tom 1]

Maybe you need to see my standards again then:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

I reject things because the BIBLE rejects them.

Nope, you reject them because you misunderstand the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, you reject them because you misunderstand the bible.

What's "them"? my standards?

Why would I reject them?

 

[Tom 1]

What's "them"? my standards?

Why would I reject them?

Whatever you mean by ‘things’ in the post of yours I replied to, where you say you ‘reject things’.

 

[AV1611VET]

Whatever you mean by ‘things’ in the post of yours I replied to, where you say you ‘reject things’.

If science says there was no Exodus, and the Bible devotes a whole book to the Exodus, what am I misunderstanding?

 

[Tom 1]

If science says there was no Exodus, and the Bible devotes a whole book to the Exodus, what am I misunderstanding?

Well, you can start with basic questions like who wrote the book of exodus, when it was written, for what purpose and so on. That's a more useful approach than just insisting, for no good reason, that it must all be taken as literal history. Why anyone would take it as such is beyond me, but it seems to be a kind of stubborn tradition that has managed to put down deep roots. I've probably linked to this 3 or 4 times already in similar threads, but it does sum up one possible set of reasons for it quite well: The Wasting of the Evangelical Mind

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, you reject them because you misunderstand the bible.

If science says there was no Exodus, and the Bible devotes a whole book to the Exodus, what am I misunderstanding?

Well, you can start with basic questions like who wrote the book of exodus, when it was written, for what purpose and so on.

I assume then that YOU have done that as well?

So why didn't you tell me what I'm misunderstanding?

I'll ask again:

If science says there was no Exodus, and the Bible devotes a whole book to the Exodus, what am I misunderstanding?

Be specific please.

 

[Tom 1]

I assume then that YOU have done that as well?

So why didn't you tell me what I'm misunderstanding?

I'll ask again:

If science says there was no Exodus, and the Bible devotes a whole book to the Exodus, what am I misunderstanding?

Be specific please.

My response was specific enough. Rather than deflecting and trying to push the argument back into another cul-de-sac of meaningless platitudes and ‘just because’ statements, you could consider the specific questions in my last post.

 

[AV1611VET]

My response was specific enough. Rather than deflecting and trying to push the argument back into another cul-de-sac of meaningless platitudes and ‘just because’ statements, you could consider the specific questions in my last post.

Better yet, I'll just take your point with a grain of salt, how's that?

If you took your own advice about the book of Exodus, I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[Tom 1]

Better yet, I'll just take your point with a grain of salt, how's that?

If you took your own advice about the book of Exodus, I'm Genghis Khan.

Which point?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which point?

Wow.

Have a nice day, Tom.

If I may ask though, do you have a college degree?

If so, what area of expertise is it in?

 

[Tom 1]

Wow.

Have a nice day, Tom.

If I may ask though, do you have a college degree?

If so, what area of expertise is it in?

I made a few different points, which one were you referring to?

No more deflections please. If there were such a thing as a greased fish, you’d give it a run for it’s money. In the slipperiness stakes I mean. If fish had money, and were greasy.

 

[AV1611VET]

I made a few different points, which one were you referring to?

Tom, you said I reject things from my own standards because I "misunderstand the Bible."

Yet when I gave you an example of something that is crystal-clear in the Bible that science rejects (the Exodus), you said I should question the book of Exodus, so I could understand it better.

What's going on here?

(And what's your area of expertise please?)