• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

my take on what would be helpful with guns

Desk trauma

The pickles are up to something
Site Supporter
Dec 1, 2011
22,347
18,311
✟1,446,543.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
That law is enforced secondaryly for the most part.
Again, shouldn’t we get rid of it as some are ignoring it or is that standard just applied to guns because they are sacred and stuff?
 
Upvote 0

dogs4thewin

dog lover
Christian Forums Staff
Red Team - Moderator
CF Ambassadors
Site Supporter
Apr 19, 2012
32,704
6,388
Georgia U.S. State
✟1,090,117.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Again, shouldn’t we get rid of it as some are ignoring it or is that standard just applied to guns because they are sacred and stuff?
What would you do if I told you that I did not agree with that law (The seat belt one).
 
Upvote 0

Desk trauma

The pickles are up to something
Site Supporter
Dec 1, 2011
22,347
18,311
✟1,446,543.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
What would you do if I told you that I did not agree with that law (The seat belt one).
Shrug at most.

How about other laws, some will ignore food safety regulations, should we not bother with those then?
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,846
8,377
Dallas
✟1,087,745.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
thank you people should NOT be held liable if they took reasonable steps
Any gun safe can be broken into. It just take some time and a lot of noise. If a person lives in a secluded area and they’re not home for an hour a person can get into that safe with the right tools that you can buy for about $50 at any hardware store.
 
Upvote 0

dogs4thewin

dog lover
Christian Forums Staff
Red Team - Moderator
CF Ambassadors
Site Supporter
Apr 19, 2012
32,704
6,388
Georgia U.S. State
✟1,090,117.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Shrug at most.

How about other laws, some will ignore food safety regulations, should we not bother with those then?
safety is important, but personally I feel that most of those laws should be secondary in natuure enforcement wise if they are non-violent offenses.
 
Upvote 0

Neogaia777

Old Soul
Site Supporter
Oct 10, 2011
24,717
5,558
46
Oregon
✟1,102,586.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Celibate
I would agree with this provided that if the person who owned the gun had it securely locked in a safe, if that safe was forcibly opened then he should not be charged for the incident. But I do agree that people who own guns and don’t secure them should be held responsible if someone gets it and commits a crime with it.
What would constitute a fully secured firearm or not is the part that would have to be legally defined in writing, etc.

But, I do 100% fully agree with you that if the firearm was 100% fully and legally secured according to how the law says, and then someone still gets ahold of it, and is still able to do something very bad with it, etc, then I do 100% fully agree with you that there should be no legal consequences for that then, etc, but only if it wasn't fully and legally secured is all I am talking about here, etc.

Safes, trigger locks, action locks, it would need to be legally defined, etc.

Securing it to at least the bare minimum of the law covers your behind if something bad still happened, or was still able to happen with it, etc.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

dogs4thewin

dog lover
Christian Forums Staff
Red Team - Moderator
CF Ambassadors
Site Supporter
Apr 19, 2012
32,704
6,388
Georgia U.S. State
✟1,090,117.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Any gun safe can be broken into. It just take some time and a lot of noise. If a person lives in a secluded area and they’re not home for an hour a person can get into that safe with the right tools that you can buy for about $50 at any hardware store.
that is what I am saying provided they took reasonable steps they should not be held liable.
 
Upvote 0

Desk trauma

The pickles are up to something
Site Supporter
Dec 1, 2011
22,347
18,311
✟1,446,543.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
safety is important, but personally I feel that most of those laws should be secondary in natuure enforcement wise if they are non-violent offenses.
Do you imagine the cops are preforming health inspections ?
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,846
8,377
Dallas
✟1,087,745.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
It's not hard to secure your firearms, or keep them secure, but it's just sheer immaturity/laziness/irresponsibility just because "you don't want to", or don't want to have to bother with that extra or another step, etc.

Doesn't seem to matter to your lazy butt that it could save a lot of lives, etc.

For that reason alone I think you should have all your firearms taken away, etc.
I absolutely agree. I don’t want some nutcase getting my gun and hurting or killing anyone with it. That’s why I bought my gun safe before I bought my gun.
 
Upvote 0

dogs4thewin

dog lover
Christian Forums Staff
Red Team - Moderator
CF Ambassadors
Site Supporter
Apr 19, 2012
32,704
6,388
Georgia U.S. State
✟1,090,117.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Upvote 0

Larniavc

"Encourage him to keep talking. He's hilarious."
Jul 14, 2015
14,748
9,018
52
✟384,821.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
UK-Liberal-Democrats
The problem is as I said before 30 years a long time and really that action would have very little impact in the next ten to twenty anyway. Plus very few gun deaths are like yesterday's shooting in that most gun deaths are either suicide, targeted, or related to some other crime very few deaths of which would be prevented by fewer guns legally in civilian hands.
That is so short sighted. Americans need to think more about their children's future and less about immediate gratification.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JosephZ
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,846
8,377
Dallas
✟1,087,745.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
It's not hard to secure your firearms, or keep them secure, but it's just sheer immaturity/laziness/irresponsibility just because "you don't want to", or don't want to have to bother with that extra or another step, etc.

Doesn't seem to matter to your lazy butt that it could save a lot of lives, etc.

For that reason alone I think you should have all your firearms taken away, etc.
Yeah you can get some pretty secure safes for pretty cheap these days. I only paid $170 for mine on Amazon. They’re actually cheaper now.


Actually this isn’t the one I got the one I have has biometric fingerprint reader on it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Neogaia777
Upvote 0

Desk trauma

The pickles are up to something
Site Supporter
Dec 1, 2011
22,347
18,311
✟1,446,543.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
That is so short sighted. Americans need to think more about their children's future and less about immediate gratification.
That would be unamerican.
 
Upvote 0

Neogaia777

Old Soul
Site Supporter
Oct 10, 2011
24,717
5,558
46
Oregon
✟1,102,586.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Celibate
Yeah you can get some pretty secure safes for pretty cheap these days. I only paid $170 for mine on Amazon. They’re actually cheaper now.


Actually this isn’t the one I got the one I have has biometric fingerprint reader on it.
I've just got trigger and action locks right now, and one rifle that is in a locking case, but I live alone, no children, don't work, so am at home most of the time, have a home security system that I set when I go out and immediately notifies both me and the police when tripped, but, yeah. And it's a studio apartment full of stuff already, and I would have a lot of trouble trying to find a place to put a safe. But, yeah, anyway?

I wouldn't doubt that a very great majority of, especially these school shootings involving minors, could have all been prevented by just simple trigger or action locks on people's firearms, etc.

God Bless.
 
Upvote 0

The IbanezerScrooge

I can't believe what I'm hearing...
Sep 1, 2015
3,458
5,853
51
Florida
✟310,373.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
safety is important, but personally I feel that most of those laws should be secondary in natuure enforcement wise if they are non-violent offenses.
You do understand that laws are postscriptive and only act as deterrent to whatever action they outlaw by way of opening up the offender to punishment in criminal court or litigation in civil court, right? I mean, I think you probably know that, but the way you're talking about laws makes it sound like you think that the act of making a law against an activity somehow literally prevents anyone from performing that activity. Obviously that's not the case, so making any argument about how laws don't stop criminals and that they can be ignored can only lead to advocating anarchy. Every law could be argued to be ineffective because criminals can choose to just not follow them. And then in the same breathe most of those who rail against additional guns control laws advocate for more laws against things like drugs and abortion. IT MAKES NO SENSE!
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,846
8,377
Dallas
✟1,087,745.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I've just got trigger and action locks right now, and one rifle that is in a locking case, but I live alone, no children, don't work, so am at home most of the time, have a home security system that I set when I go out and immediately notifies both me and the police when tripped, but, yeah. And it's a studio apartment full of stuff already, and I would have a lot of trouble trying to find a place to put a safe. But, yeah, anyway?

I wouldn't doubt that a very great majority of, especially these school shootings involving minors, could have all been prevented by just simple trigger or action locks on people's firearms, etc.

God Bless.
I have kids and I wanted something that would stop someone from being able to take the guns. We also just recently installed a security camera system and we live in a duplex in a crowded community so most likely anyone who breaks in is probably going to want to stay pretty quiet.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Neogaia777
Upvote 0

stevil

Godless and without morals
Feb 5, 2011
8,548
6,729
✟293,653.00
Country
New Zealand
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
so by that logic my sister should be able to have access to her husband's handgun to defend their home if he is away at night shift for 12 hours?
The statistics show that females with guns in the house, are more likely to be murdered, than females without guns in the house.
 
Upvote 0

dogs4thewin

dog lover
Christian Forums Staff
Red Team - Moderator
CF Ambassadors
Site Supporter
Apr 19, 2012
32,704
6,388
Georgia U.S. State
✟1,090,117.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Just having the info does nothing. What do you think it could mean to have that information? In a positive way.
Well if they knew a person had problems they may could keep a closer eye on them ( even if they did not know what kind of guns they had). For example, the FBI, GBI ( GA's version of the FBI) and the school district he attended last year spoke to he and his father about online threats to shoot up a school, BUT they released him as they did not have enough to hold him in custody. This was May 23.
 
Upvote 0

Larniavc

"Encourage him to keep talking. He's hilarious."
Jul 14, 2015
14,748
9,018
52
✟384,821.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
UK-Liberal-Democrats
I have kids and I wanted something that would stop someone from being able to take the guns. We also just recently installed a security camera system and we live in a duplex in a crowded community so most likely anyone who breaks in is probably going to want to stay pretty quiet.
How would a security camera stop anyone from taking the guns? Sure, you’ll know who has taken them but the guns are still gone.

Edit: unless they wear a mask of course.
 
Upvote 0