My Same State Past Challenge

[HitchSlap]

You only pointed out what you perceive as an inaccuracy. I gave you a possible explanation. In any case, have fun basing your eternal future on minutiae while ignoring the glaring evidence of fulfilled prophecy and the eyewitness accounts of the bodily resurrection from the grave by Jesus Christ.

The anonymous authors of the gospels were not eye witnesses to the resurrection.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

If you believe that the universe has always been running under the same set of laws, I challenge you to describe to me a hypothetical planet in existence today where people routinely live to be 600-900 years old, and tell me how they live that long under current conditions.

Once upon a time, there was a planet called "Magic Pink Fairy Land!" where everyone routinely lived 600-900 years old. They lived this old because Magic Pink Fairies are Magic!

Ta-DAAA! Challenge met.

 

[Skreeper]

Name one.

Ezekiel 26:7-14

The Apostles were firsthand eyewitnesses willing to die for their testimonies. The empty tomb stood as a witness against the nay sayers then as well as now.

The authors of the gospels are anonymous and are not eye witnesses.

I've been through many religions including atheism before Jesus Christ revealed Himself to me in His Word and visions.

Nice. And when I talk to Muslims they tell me Allah revealed himself to them.

 

[HitchSlap]

Catch up, chief.

Sure thing, chief.

But why go back on your word?

 

[crossnote]

The anonymous authors of the gospels were not eye witnesses to the resurrection.

Sounds like you've been drinking too much of that Western Liberal Theological Swill. LOL

2 Peter 1:16 KJV
[16] For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 

[crossnote]

What is it about the Ezek 26 passage you have difficulty with?

The authors of the gospels are anonymous and are not eye witnesses.

Peter, for one who wrote the Epistles of Peter testifies...
2 Peter 1:16 KJV
[16] For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Nice. And when I talk to Muslims they tell me Allah revealed himself to them.

Sure, and when you talk to Mormons the same thing right along with most faiths. Obviously they are not all true especially when they contradict each other.
So, I look to Scripture as the final authority concerning things eternal. And being inspired by an Eternal God, I find
the prophecies accurate (I don't believe the Koran or the Book of Mormon or the Watchtower has any prophecies of a specific nature that came to pass). Also I have personally experienced a changed heart and life through Jesus Christ as well as seen addicts and felons changed behavior." something I never experienced with atheism, Hinduism, Taoism, or the occult.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sounds like you've been drinking too much of that Western Liberal Theological Swill. LOL

2 Peter 1:16 KJV
[16] For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

As I said, the gospels are anonymous. They were all written in third person, decades after Jesus' death, in a language no one in Palestine spoke, none of them are signed by an author, and written in countries Jesus' or his disciples never traveled too. Mark was written first, doesn't include a nativity, and Jesus appearing after his "resurrection" was added much later (Mk. 16:9-20). Matthew and Luke copied much of Mark several decades later, and the Jesus in John is so wildly different, he seems like another person altogether.

 

[AV1611VET]

... none of them are signed by an author,

Really?

An epistle would have been written on a scroll. Often, it was dictated and then reviewed by the author before being delivered by a trusted messenger. For example, 1 Peter mentions that it was Peter’s letter written down by Silvanus, or Silas (1 Peter 5:12). Timothy was involved in the writing and delivery of several of the apostle Paul’s letters (Colossians 1:1; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; Philemon 1), although Paul signed each one to verify that he was the author (Galatians 6:11).

SOURCE

 

[HitchSlap]

Really?

SOURCE

Why are you unaware that Paul is not the author of the gospels, and the disciples are not the authors of Paul's epistles?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why are you unaware that Paul is not the author of the gospels, and the disciples are not the authors of Paul's epistles?

Because I have the Author living inside of me.

I've got the "inside scoop," so to speak.

 

[HitchSlap]

Because I have the Author living inside of me.

I've got the "inside scoop," so to speak.

So, having an author "living inside" you prevents you from understanding Paul didn't write the gospels? Sounds 'bout legit.

 

[bhsmte]

Sounds like you've been drinking too much of that Western Liberal Theological Swill. LOL

2 Peter 1:16 KJV
[16] For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

No, he likely puts more credibility into the NT scholars and historians, that dont play fast and loose with the historical method.

 

[Nat Page]

Peter, for one who wrote the Epistles of Peter testifies...
2 Peter 1:16 KJV
[16] For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

I think Peter the disciple was an illiterate fisherman?

 

[bhsmte]

I think Peter the disciple was an illiterate fisherman?

Only a select few could write in those times. Also, the NT was written in greek and Jesus' followers didnt speak greek.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think Peter the disciple was an illiterate fisherman?

Only a select few could write in those times. Also, the NT was written in greek and Jesus' followers didnt speak greek.

Ya ... God overlooked that, didn't He?

 

[HitchSlap]

Ya ... God overlooked that, didn't He?

No, you did.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, you did.

If God overlooked it, I'll overlook it too.

 

[HitchSlap]

If God overlooked it, I'll overlook it too.

Yes, we know.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

And I offered him examples of just such a planet -- this one -- and noted that if humans had some of the traits of certain long-living animals, they too would live long lives.

He rejected such a proposal, making it clear he wants "hyoo mun bee yings." Ergo, he wants the same biology as well.

Ah, so he moved the goalposts? Why am I not surprised?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, we know.

And if God accepts it, I'll accept it too.

BTW, are you saying the books of the NT were ghost written? if so, I agree.

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.