My Rock Challenge

[SkyWriting]

Science is not at all confused about the weather tomorrow afternoon. Science understands that weather is a chaotic system and that predictions become more accurate the closer you get to the actual event. Nevertheless, if you compare 5-day forecasts from the 1960's versus those of the 2000's, you'll see that science has made great progress in short term weather prediction.

Yes. I'd like to see that data. Thanks!

Freakonomics » 2008 » April » 21 How-valid-are-tv-weather-forecasts?

Meaningless drivel. Unicellular life exists. Cells don't preserve well, but they do preserve. Not sure exactly where this is leading, but I'll attribute it to me...... <snip>..(don't care)

Yes. I'd like to see that data. Thanks!

 

[Belk]

educate me then, how did life begin since you are all knowing. my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu wants to know. evolution is the biggest hoax ever! i understand you have to believe in a lie or admit there is a God.

So we have progressed from incredulity to false dichotomy now? Do appeal to consequences next, it's my favorite.

 

[Tiberius]

Is there a word for this, besides foolishness? There is absolutely no basis for your conclusion. Rather, what about the common elements of existence and / or life tells us of G-d? And what does it reveal to us about Him? He is amazingly patient, waiting for us to (finally) figure all this out ...

You speak to me about foolishness, yet it seems you are the one who decides the conclusion, and then tries to find evidence to support it.

But....inquiry says we didn't.

Investigation of reality DOES suggest a common ancestor.

Comparing phonographs & lightbulbs to DNA, are we?

On the molecular level, Edison indeed used 'the same basic parts'.

In fact, he used just a few of them, out of just over 100.

The same thing found in DNA is found in my coffee.

Of course there are! Your coffee comes from a plant which has DNA! The same thing found in DNA is also found in my steak! What's your point?

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course there are! Your coffee comes from a plant which has DNA! The same thing found in DNA is also found in my steak! What's your point?

We have a common designer, not a common ancestor.

 

[SkyWriting]

Investigation of reality DOES suggest a common ancestor.

It's a scientific fact that some people are more open to such suggestions than others.

 

[Loudmouth]

We have a common designer, not a common ancestor.

Evidence please.

 

[razeontherock]

Fess up, who created those tags?

 

[Loudmouth]

Is that the scientific definition for the cut off point & beginning of evolution?

The mechanisms of evolution can not work unless there are imperfect replicators competing for limited resources. No replicators, no evolution.

We know that "evolution" is nothing more than documenting change.

Evolution is not book keeping. Evolution is a set of mechanisms that can cause life to change over time and diverge from one another. You might as well say that gravity is nothing more than documenting things that fall.

So we must assume that things didn't change....until they started changing.

You can't have life evolving until there is life. Not that hard to figure out.

So the beginning of life is when things stop not changing and begin evolving.

Clouds are changing, but they are not changing through biological evolution. When we talk about biological evolution we often shorten it to evolution. When we talk about biological evolution we are talking about a very specific set of mechanisms that operate in life. No life, no evolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

Its showing the falsehood from an old argument that says that things that look alike must be related to each other. There are times when it's true,

and times it's not.

We are related to spiders as well. They are our cousins just like all primates are our cousins, just more distant.

Also, it is not the sharing of characteristics that evidences evolution. It is the PATTERN of shared characteristics that evidences evolution. That pattern is a nested hierarchy. If you want to understand these relationships better I would suggest reading Bilateria. Notice how the shared characteristics form a nested hierarchy? That is what evidences evolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is a horribly twisted analogy. Whatever could possess you to pen such a thing?

Obviously, it hit its mark. Creationists are claiming that God made it look like something happened when it really didn't happen. It is the same as God planting evidence at a crime scene.

why can you not take the responsibility to conclude we (hypothetically) are just not smart enough to figure this situation out?

Perhaps you should talk to the creationists who are putting Omphalos-like arguments forward.

 

[Loudmouth]

The icon for your leap of logic:

What leap of logic? If God can plant isotopes in rocks to make them look old when they are not then why can't God plant evidence at a crime scene? In fact, it is the perfect conclusion based on creationist logic. Afterall, if the DNA at a crime scene matches the DNA of the defendant then it had to be due to a common creator of the two sets of DNA, right? It couldn't possible come from the same natural source. That's impossible.

 

[SkyWriting]

Evidence please.

The chemicals on our planet
vs.
the same chemicals found in the rest of the Cosmos.

The rest of the cosmos doesn't seem to be doing anything.
SETI Institute | SETI Institute
At least a ton of evidence.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular] 1e53 kg (that 53 zero's)[/FONT]

 

[Loudmouth]

The chemicals on our planet
vs.
the same chemicals found in the rest of the Cosmos.

The rest of the cosmos doesn't seem to be doing anything.
SETI Institute | SETI Institute
At least a ton of evidence.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular] 1e53 kg (that 53 zero's)[/FONT]

How many star systems have we looked at vs. the number of star systems in the universe? Last I checked, we have only looked at a tiny, tiny sliver of our own galaxy for radio signals. On top of that, we don't even know if Earth is the only place in our solar system with life.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evidence please.

With pleasure:

 

[Loudmouth]

With pleasure:

I said evidence, not random pictures.

 

[SkyWriting]

What leap of logic? If God can plant isotopes in rocks to make them look old when they are not then why can't God plant evidence at a crime scene? In fact, it is the perfect conclusion based on creationist logic. Afterall, if the DNA at a crime scene matches the DNA of the defendant then it had to be due to a common creator of the two sets of DNA, right? It couldn't possible come from the same natural source. That's impossible.

DNA matching is indeed expressed in terms of probability. It is never considered "proof" of anything.

God did not "plant" isotopes. What God instantly creates may in fact be old. If your saying that no miracle has ever happened, then that's your stand.

But if your leaving the option of a miracle as an option, then that healed limb or dead raised to life is GOING to look like an old event. Unless a healed man walks on a fetus limb, you never going to get an act of God that looks "recent".

 

[AV1611VET]

I said evidence, not random pictures.

-- Sorry.

Evidence please.

The Periodic Table of the Elements

 

[SkyWriting]

How many star systems have we looked at vs. the number of star systems in the universe? Last I checked, we have only looked at a tiny, tiny sliver of our own galaxy for radio signals. On top of that, we don't even know if Earth is the only place in our solar system with life.

You mean how many million tons of evidence do we have staked up against you? It grows by the minute. It doesn't PROVE that there is no life out there. You didn't ask for proof. You asked for evidence that goes against your theory of life naturally evolving from minerals and chemicals baking in the sunlight. So far, all of it.

 

[Loudmouth]

You mean how many million tons of evidence do we have staked up against you? It grows by the minute. It doesn't PROVE that there is no life out there. You didn't ask for proof. You asked for evidence that goes against your theory of life naturally evolving from minerals and chemicals baking in the sunlight. So far, all of it.

No, I asked for evidence for a common creator. Where is it? False dichotomies are just that, false.

Also, life not appearing on other planets does not falsify life appearing on our planet. Should I also point to other planets without life as evidence that God did not create life?

 

[Loudmouth]

-- Sorry.

The Periodic Table of the Elements

I asked for evidence of a common ancestor, not evidence for the periodicity of chemical characteristics.