My Relativity Challenge

[Usus Vox Tractus]

A flyby of a comet would not halt the rotation of the earth, nor would it restart the rotation if the earth's rotation were stopped for some other reason.

The earth's magnetic orientation has reversed many times in our geological past. One can read this reversing in the seafloor of the Atlantic Ocean, which is being continously created by plate tectonics (but only an inch or so per year). The last reversal was way before Joshua's long day, by the way.

Would a "hard flip" of the magnetic poles affect the rotation of liquid iron in the core and thus the surface?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll again point out that the only reason (or at least the main reason) that non-Christians claim the Bible teachers geocentrism is because the church and most Christians said it did for over 1000 years, and some still do today.

Memo: It is now the 21st century.

 

[VirOptimus]

So the OP is a challange meant to prove that its not always correct to interpret things said/written literally posted by a person who insists that the bible should always be read literally?

 

[AV1611VET]

So the OP is a challange meant to prove that its not always correct to interpret things said/written literally posted by a person who insists that the bible should always be read literally?

The OP is a challenge to reword a simple sentence in such a way that scientists won't misinterpret it.

 

[Strathos]

Memo: It is now the 21st century.

And geocentrists and flat-earthers still exist. We even have some on these very forums. Why not take up these arguments with them?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Reword the following sentence so scientists won't misinterpret it:

The sun dropped below the horizon.

Scientists are fallible, I assume, therefore that are always capable of misinterpreting anything (i.e. it is logicaclly possible for them, in a possible world). What you are asking for is for the impossibility of a misinterpretation?

Anyway unless the OP states what the "official, or authoratative" interpretation is, well how can we know what that is supposed to be? And then what if they misinterpret the official interpretation, or refuse to go along with it?

Some PoMo theorist said that words are eventually defined by.... more words.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Would a "hard flip" of the magnetic poles affect the rotation of liquid iron in the core and thus the surface?

The inner core of the earth is rotating slightly faster than the shell, which is being braked by the tidal effects of the moon. The flipping of the pole is entirely due to magnetic and electric current effects in the liquid, sheared, rotating molton iron. The earth's dynamo generates electric currents from the magnetic field operating on the fluid motion of the iron which, in turn, generate the magnetic field. Hey, that's circular! Well, it happens. But it is chaotically unstable, and flips poles every million years or so. However, the direction of the motion of the rotation stays the same, it is the direction of the currents and magnetic fields that change.

The same mechanism generates magnetic poles in the sun, and there also we have pole flipping, but it happens every eleven years there. We observe the sun's rotation continuing in the same direction as that happens.

Since it is chaotic, we don't have a guarantee about timing and strength of such things.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The OP is a challenge to reword a simple sentence in such a way that scientists won't misinterpret it.

I think it is the layman rather than the scientist you have to worry about misinterpreting such things.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

The inner core of the earth is rotating slightly faster than the shell, which is being braked by the tidal effects of the moon. The flipping of the pole is entirely due to magnetic and electric current effects in the liquid, sheared, rotating molton iron. The earth's dynamo generates electric currents from the magnetic field operating on the fluid motion of the iron which, in turn, generate the magnetic field. Hey, that's circular! Well, it happens. But it is chaotically unstable, and flips poles every million years or so. However, the direction of the motion of the rotation stays the same, it is the direction of the currents and magnetic fields that change.

The same mechanism generates magnetic poles in the sun, and there also we have pole flipping, but it happens every eleven years there. We observe the sun's rotation continuing in the same direction as that happens.

Since it is chaotic, we don't have a guarantee about timing and strength of such things.

Thanks Paul!

The specific scenario I'm inquiring about is the Velikovsky scenario where a highly charge body (comet) passes close enough for a flux transfer event: Basically an enormous lightening bolt equalizing the charge between planetary bodies.

Magnets can be forced into a "hard flip" of the poles by a strong electric discharge.

So the "hard flip" of earths poles in this event would not be caused by the natural flip of a fluent core sheath or long period of time but by external forces.

Like if a drain is patterned as a left handed screw, the water is draining in a left handed vortex. Is flipping the mag pole like instantly changing the left handed screw drain for a right handed one? Would it alter vortex flow similarly?

I'm wondering if such a pole flip would then alter/reverse the core flow and thus the surface of the planet?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think it is the layman rather than the scientist you have to worry about misinterpreting such things.

I give laymen credit for speaking like a scientist though when they appeal to the scientific method to pwn the jots & tittles of the Bible.

(I would think they would take that as a compliment too.)

 

[Heissonear]

And geocentrists and flat-earthers still exist. We even have some on these very forums. Why not take up these arguments with them?

Strathos, if you really knew reality, what you see truely delude people has power to overcome any and everybody. The Deceiver is stronger than you and me. So I would not coldly point at the error others are in. You need help from Him who is Above to not be overcome too.

 

[Strathos]

Strathos, if you really knew reality, what you see truely delude people has power to overcome any and everybody. The Deceiver is stronger than you and me. So I would not coldly point at the error others are in. You need help from Him who is Above to not be overcome too.

Hey, I know that. I'm just pointing out that if AV is really against people interpreting scripture to suggest geocentrism, he should be addressing the originators of those claims, and the ones who seriously believe them.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Thanks Paul!

The specific scenario I'm inquiring about is the Velikovsky scenario where a highly charge body (comet) passes close enough for a flux transfer event: Basically an enormous lightening bolt equalizing the charge between planetary bodies.

Magnets can be forced into a "hard flip" of the poles by a strong electric discharge.

So the "hard flip" of earths poles in this event would not be caused by the natural flip of a fluent core sheath or long period of time but by external forces.

Like if a drain is patterned as a left handed screw, the water is draining in a left handed vortex. Is flipping the mag pole like instantly changing the left handed screw drain for a right handed one? Would it alter vortex flow similarly?

I'm wondering if such a pole flip would then alter/reverse the core flow and thus the surface of the planet?

a) No such highly charged body will exist near the sun, because the sun is blowing ions out - the "solar wind" - and any body with an electric charge will attract ions of opposite charge, repel ions of similar charge, and become neutral.

b) Any such lightning bolt between passing planets strong enough to affect the magnetic orientation of the earth would have the side affect of sterilizing all life on the earth, and probably superheating the air to the point that it leaves the planet.

c) The physical record of the planet's pole reversals show that the last time the poles reversed was about 780,000 years ago. We are apparently due for another one any time now.

d) Fans of disaster affecting the earth have a far better scenario to consider, which is merely an impact from another body such as an asteroid or a comet. That is very much more possible/probable than your planetary lightning strike scenario.

e) Velikovsky's ideas about how planets and such move around and affect each other are completely bogus.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I give laymen credit for speaking like a scientist though when they appeal to the scientific method to pwn the jots & tittles of the Bible.

(I would think they would take that as a compliment too.)

We laymen can have some understanding of science and, I suppose, sound like a scientist in that way. We can apply the scientific method to the jots and tittles of the Bible, but alas when we do that, many reject our findings.

For example, suppose I look over the Bible and find a contradiction. Do I conclude that it is possible for the Bible to have a contradiction, or do I instead conclude there must be an explanation of that contradiction that is merely beyond my ken for the moment?

Let's consider a specific example. Paul of Tarsus wrote this:

1 Cor 1:14
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
NASU

And in the second verse following he wrote this:

1 Cor 1:16

16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.
NASU

This is a contradiction of scripture with scripture.

Go ahead, tell me if we use this fact to concede that scripture can contradict scripture, or, if we don't, why not?