No laws can ever be held as 'absolutes' .. (that's what the judicial process is about, no?)
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Where is the recognition of the efficiency of killing (multiple people) inherent in the design of firearms widely available in the US, in that suggestion?
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What bad grammar? You took my comment out of context. Are cheap shots the best you can do?Your bad grammar caused you to accidentally speak the truth. Must be divine intervention.SelfSim said:
Clarifying my point above, I point to the intersection between the NRA's support for the right to buy and own guns, (justifying it with their own interpretation of the Second Amendment) and then the Republican party's general support for gun ownership rights and opposition to laws regulating guns.
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You realize that if someone is going to go postal, the law can take a hike, don't you?
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You have to follow the thread and see what people are responding to before taking things out of context.
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And you just claimed that you were not attempting to blame the gun and yet here you are again blaming the Gun. The problem is the operator of the gun, not the design of the gun or anything else about the gun.
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notice how many guns he had, he could have laid down a field for fire for quite a while without needing a reload. There is also the possibility that if he had aimed each shot (he seemed to know what he was doing because he used a ballistics computer) he may have killed even more people. So I am going to blame it on the man not the gun every time.
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Why the defence of the gun? What possible reason can there be for that?
Putting your comment into a real perspective (not hypothetical), he succeeded in killing 60 people and injured 867 (411 of whom were wounded by gunfire)!
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Well yes it is. Because if no one touched that gun its design would kill absolutely no one. So what is the point of considering its design.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. I do not see any requirement for running of checks, requiring insurance, or anything else do you?
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Why do people purchase such guns? Stop avoiding the question.
There it is! Ha! knew it!disciple Clint said:
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I am about a real as anyone can get and I have given you an undeniable fact, it is the operator of the gun that needs to be constrained, not the gun. If the courts put people in jail the citizens would be much safer, it people got mental health services when they need them the citizens would be much safer.
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yes there it is, and you should know it because the 2nd has been around for your entire lifetime, so what makes it such a moment of discovery for you.
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putting my comment into real perspective, he wanted to kill people, he carefully planed and equipped himself to kill people. You are trying to point fingers at the design of the gun, the type of gun had nothing to do with his motivations or his actions
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Could he have done what he did with a muzzle loading musket? Or a lever action? Or a break action? Or a bolt action?
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