My Postal Challenge

[SelfSim]

Why don't people tend to "go postal" in countries other than the USA?

On top of the Republican nonsense about worship of the flawed interpretation of the Second Amendment and the subsequential free flow (and ridiculuous abundance) of firearms, it may also correlate with relative affluence/population size.
China India and the USA have the largest populations, I think(?)

 

[Kylie]

On top of the Republican nonsense about worship of the flawed interpretation of the Second Amendment and the subsequential free flow (and ridiculuous abundance) of firearms, it may also correlate with relative affluence/population size.
China India and the USA have the largest populations, I think(?)

We can eliminate population size if we go via percentages.

This list shows the number of deaths per 100,000 people by firearms. The US is quite high in that list, and is by far the highest of the western countries. Gun Deaths by Country 2022

 

[SelfSim]

We can eliminate population size if we go via percentages.

This list shows the number of deaths per 100,000 people by firearms. The US is quite high in that list, and is by far the highest of the western countries. Gun Deaths by Country 2022

Interesting .. thanks for that .. but I think you'll find that the USA supplies most of the firearms to the Sth American countries .. in exchange for other 'questionables'(?)

 

[HARK!]

Why do people go postal?

I once applied for a job as a postman. The person who interviewed me said that I had the job; but she advised me not to take it.

She told me that it doesn't pay well, and it's not a fun job. People work all of their lives to gain the position of Postmaster. That's a cushy job; so people hold onto that position until they die. The person with seniority moves to that position; but sometimes people get cheated out of their turn. She said that's where the expression "going postal" originates.

 

[disciple Clint]

They're all in the USA. Too many guns. Mass death is avoidable and the Second Amendment is the cause.

no the person holding the gun is the cause, most of the time they would not have gone off the deep end if we had an effective mental health treatment program in this nation.

 

[disciple Clint]

Just because a space is publicly accessible doesn't mean it's public property. It can be private property, even if it is open to the public. Shopping centers are an example of this. And if it's private property, they are well within their right to say, "No video recording."

The First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property, and specifically, a right to record matters of public interest. SOURCE​

It's an important distinction that publicly accessible property is NOT the same thing as public property.

Is that based on U.S. law or your local laws.

 

[mama2one]

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[SelfSim]

no the person holding the gun is the cause, most of the time they would not have gone off the deep end if we had an effective mental health treatment program in this nation.

Going 'postal', (or employee revenge), probably still happens with less severe outcomes, in other countries with gun controls. The choice of mass shootings/deaths of innocent bystanders, is not a readily available means of self-expression.

'Mental health treatment program'? Why wouldn't this idea suffer the same fate as healthcare in general, across the US?

 

[Kylie]

Is that based on U.S. law or your local laws.

"When you are on private property, the property owner may set rules about the taking of photographs. If you disobey the property owner's rules, they can order you off their property (and have you arrested for trespassing if you do not comply)." SOURCE

"Photography on private property that is generally open to the public (e.g., a shopping mall) is usually permitted unless explicitly prohibited by posted signs. Even if no such signs are posted, the property owner or agent can ask a person to stop photographing, and if the person refuses to do so, the owner or agent can ask the person to leave; in some jurisdictions, a person who refuses to leave can be arrested for criminal trespass, and many jurisdictions recognize the common-law right to use reasonable force to remove a trespasser; a person who forcibly resists a lawful removal may be liable for battery, assault, or both." SOURCE

Both of these are referring to the laws in the USA, where I believe AV lives. So if AV does as he says and goes into a hotel lobby (a hotel is privately owned property that is accessible to the public) and he takes photos and he is asked to stop by the owners or representatives of the owners, he is required by law to stop.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not like they go postal today.

And what Jesus did was justified.

I'd to come back to this, AV -- it's an interesting statement.

Are you saying that Jesus had a legitimate reason for doing what he did, or, being God, everything he does is justified regardless or reason?

 

[AV1611VET]

I once applied for a job as a postman. The person who interviewed me said that I had the job; but she advised me not to take it.

She told me that it doesn't pay well, and it's not a fun job. People work all of their lives to gain the position of Postmaster. That's a cushy job; so people hold onto that position until they die. The person with seniority moves to that position; but sometimes people get cheated out of their turn. She said that's where the expression "going postal" originates.

Interesting.

My brother-in-law was a postal clerk until the day he retired -- almost 50 years!

 

[AV1611VET]

Both of these are referring to the laws in the USA, where I believe AV lives. So if AV does as he says and goes into a hotel lobby (a hotel is privately owned property that is accessible to the public) and he takes photos and he is asked to stop by the owners or representatives of the owners, he is required by law to stop.

I would never go into a hotel lobby.

Post office, courthouse, down the sidewalk, yes; but not into a hotel.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying that Jesus had a legitimate reason for doing what he did, or, being God, everything he does is justified regardless or reason?

Mark 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Mark 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

That doesn't necessarily answer my question, but it does raise another, more interesting one.

When Jesus says "My house..." he's obviously speaking as God -- but when he goes to town on the moneychangers, his response is so very human... postal, one might say.

What shall we make of that?

 

[Bob Crowley]

I didn't even know what "going postal" was until I saw this post (pun unintentional). I first assumed it had something to do with people avoiding electronic communication and preferring snail mail.

Out of curiosity I wondered if there was an Australian equivalent. I could only find one, although the following link gives two. But the more recent one wasn't a case of someone deliberately targeting postal workers.

The US leads the list by far, and I've got no doubt the firearms culture has something to do with it.

List of postal killings - WikiMili, The Best Wikipedia Reader

 

[AV1611VET]

What shall we make of that?

Righteous indignation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Righteous indignation.

A perfectly understandable human reaction.

 

[AV1611VET]

The US leads the list by far, and I've got no doubt the firearms culture has something to do with it.

Not at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

A perfectly understandable human reaction.

Jesus was 100% human.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Jesus was 100% human.

But of course -- I wouldn't insult you by even asking if you believed in the Doctrine of Incarnation.

My point is that being 100% human and 100% divine, Jesus had a lot of options available to him in dealing with those moneychangers -- that he chose a whip instead of a thunderbolt is interesting.