My outrage

[Baldur]

You know what I have learned over time about those who find my life style to be nothing but negative and express their dislike in hateful or harsh ways- to just be nice to them. I struggle everyday with how I am going to wake up and be nice to christians but I try my best to do it by respecting and even socializing with them.

A lovely attitude that is entirely in keeping with what Christ himself taught - to love our enemies. I attempt to do the same, towards those religious people (mostly Christians) and Feminists that demonize child lovers like myself. I hope I am successful.

And, in all fairness, some Christians also make the attempt.

But seeing the consistently loving attitude in your posts, H., I think that if you were hetero and 10 years younger, I could fall in love with you.



Baldur

 

[Baldur]

I, son, am not the one who is blind. I once was, but now I see.

It's a shame they couldn't get rid of that astigmatism as well.



Baldur

 

[Matt Never Existed]

I suddenly feel like Harry or Ron in the first book, fighting off the troll in the bathroom.

Anyways, I'm out like the slow kid in dodgeball. I hope I didn't forget to say anything or to tie up a loose ends somewhere.

((Bond Slave, you show your true beliefs through your actions, and all I've seen is a lack of respect for other people. Before you come to a christian forum trying to preach 'the world of god', I suggest taking some time off, go out into the world, and try to live it first. And once you've come back from that, you can take your foot out of your mouth and really start to talk to us. I just hope by then, you'll listen to our responses.))

 

[chalice_thunder]

Before you come to a christian forum trying to preach 'the world of god', I suggest taking some time off, go out into the world, and try to live it first. And once you've come back from that, you can take your foot out of your mouth and really start to talk to us. I just hope by then, you'll listen to our responses.))

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Matt Never Existed again.

 

[praying]

demonize child lovers like myself.
Baldur

 

[Matt Never Existed]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Matt Never Existed again.

hehe, I honestly wish I could give all the rep. I have been given here away. I just don't think its a good system.

Nothing I've ever said on these forums is amazing, and worth of recieving reputation. All I've ever tried to tell people goes around one major point. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Love n. - A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.

Kinship is defined as a connection by blood, marriage, or adoption; a family relationship.

I would never, ever treat my family like I see some people here treating others. There is such a horrible lack of connection between everyone here. We aren't just strangers passing by eachother. We aren't just random people who just happen to be talking in same forum. We are brothers and sisters, members of the same family, regardless of race, gender, religion or lack-there-of, and sexual orientation.

~sigh~ Ah well, as much as we try to show people this, they will ignore it and focus on something they don't agree with. "Homosexuality is a sin, you're going to hell if you don't change!" "If you don't believe in (insert whatever), then you are going to suffer forever!" "If you don't live like this, then you never really accepted Christ as your savior!" "Love the sinner, hate the sin!"

If Jesus accepted me for who I am, and where I'm at right now, why can't some of his followers do the same?

Jesus knew that some who heard his message were not going to listen or change, but he still loved them and showed them respect. Its a shame others aren't able to do the same.

~shrug~ Or maybe I'm wrong. I have a tendency to do that sometimes. Ah well...

-Matt Never Existed

 

[Rae]

I'm not convinced that anyone here who condemns anyone else is actually doing it out of any sort of love of anything but themselves and their religious beliefs. I'd love to see people connecting with each other on here in true affection. Most of the condemnation, however, is obviously done out of anger at the very idea that someone doesn't accept what you believe as true.

If you want to take exception to what I said, go ahead and do so. Just don't lie to me and tell me that it's because you "love" me. Unless you know me, try to spend time with me, and care about me as ME, not just another anonymous poster, you don't love me in any meaningful sense and are not motivated by love for me.

 

[aca_rev55]

Say whatever else you want in this thread, but please, do not play the age card. There's nothing more frustrating than trying to make a cogent argument, only to have it brushed aside with "Oh, you're just a kid, you'll know better when you're older." It's rude and condescending.

Thank you. Isn't it rather biased for adults to brush off whatever they want if it was posted by "just some kid?" Some of the adults on here act like cocky, self-proclaimed experts on stuff comparing themselves to "the kids" on here. I'm in AP Calc, AP world history, and AP Chem, and there's an 8th grader in my classes... youth doesn't mean ignorance, seriously that kid is freakin' scary they're so smart.

 

[Baldur]

hehe, I honestly wish I could give all the rep. I have been given here away. I just don't think its a good system.

Nothing I've ever said on these forums is amazing, and worth of recieving reputation. All I've ever tried to tell people goes around one major point. Love your neighbor as yourself.

MNE, that is exactly the point. Christ may have said that a long time ago, and lots of people know about it by now, but to find someone who believes it and tries to act it - that will always be amazing.



Baldur

 

[Baldur]

Wondering how child lovers are demonized? Perhaps you didn't realize that the Greek words "paedo" and "phile" literally mean "child" and "love" - so that "pedophile" means "lover of children". We are adults whose primary attraction is to children - in my case girls between the ages of 6 and 12. There is no question that we are demonized - most people in English-speaking countries do not even understand the difference between a pedophile and a child molester, even though the vast majority of pedophiles are by no means molesters, and well over 90% of molesters are known, even by law enforcement, not to be pedophiles.

Consider the parallel: if the public equated "heterosexual" with "rapist", you would feel a bit demonized too.

It is bad enough that we get death threats, and that the public loves to fantasize about us being tortured, but on top of all that the public does great harm to the children we love, in the name of protecting them from us.

Some recent examples:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1408590,00.html

http://www.ectopia.org/

http://www.inquisition21.com/

Is it any wonder that among girl lovers, "CA" is shorthand for both "child advocate" and "child abuser"?

I don't know of a URL which puts the two ideas together yet, but it is also noteworthy that there is documentation of an increase in violence among adolescent girls, beginning around 1990, which just happens to correlate with the beginning of the anti-pedophile hysteria in the 1980's - that is, the girls who became adolescents about 1990 were the first to grow up in an environment where men feared to give them the affection that they needed. Of course, the researchers looking at the problem of increased violence are mystified as to the cause, because they forbid themselves to consider it.

Considering the evidence (Rind et al) that shows that sexual interactions between adults and children seldom cause much harm, I think it is clear that the present hysteria is far more harmful to children (as a whole) than molesters ever were - much less pedophiles.

More resources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~under006/Library/Antisexuality.html


Baldur

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

I’m really glad that you explained that Baldur.
I thought your comment was implying that Feminists were against women that choose motherhood over career or something like that.

 

[Baldur]

I’m really glad that you explained that Baldur.

I thought your comment was implying that Feminists were against women that choose motherhood over career or something like that.

No, though some branches of feminism hold such views.

But I believe that the current hysteria over children and sexuality results from the convergence of religious (primarily pseudo-Christian) beliefs with theories widely promoted by some branches of Feminism.

In particular, pseudo-Christian beliefs that sexuality is inherently bad, and Feminist theories that any sexual relations between two people with differing amounts of power is automatically rape - even if both parties wanted the relationship.

The idea that a disparity in power implies rape is ludicrous on the face of it - as no two people will ever have perfect power parity, and thus any sexual relationship must be rape. However, the public tends to adhere to this ridiculous theory if one partner is a child, and what is more, assumes the child has less power. Of course, for a true child lover, the child has all the power. They've got us wrapped around their fingers.

Unfortunately, after Feminism achieved most of its goals by the 1970's, the fair-minded members of that movement mostly dropped out - they had better things to do. This left the modern feminist movement largely in the hands of extremists. I certainly do not wish to imply that the original feminists are responsible for this (or any other) mess, nor do I wish to excuse those extremists who have caused so much harm.



Baldur

 

[Chajara]

I love when teenagers act high and mighty.

I, son, am not the one who is blind. I once was, but now I see.

Yes, because teenagers know nothing about life until the day they turn twenty. If only this thread had a rolleyes emoticon.

Personally, I love it when Christians talk about how they've found Jesus and therefore don't need to ever learn about anything else. I know you're not going to take advice from a lowly teenager, but I'm going to give you some anyway. You're never too old to learn. How is it that I've figured this out, with my immature teenage self, and you still don't seem to understand it?

Personally, I think people should stop with "The Bible says..." and start with "Jesus says...". The Bible says to condemn homosexuality, yes. It also says to stone people for really stupid things, and not to touch a pig's skin. Hope you don't like football. Jesus, however, said to love your neighbor. And to me, that means not shoving your own beliefs in their face every time you see someone doing something you think is wrong. If someone doesn't believe what you do, then who the heck are you to tell them they're wrong? That, in my opinion, is acting "High and mighty." Good day to you sir.

 

[Chajara]

Good jab there, son.

Sigh. Go back to your bridge, troll. I shouldn't even have bothered to grace you with my first reply.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

I think you guys have been the unfortunate recipients of a defensive knee jerk reaction, which was the only thing he found available to fall back upon when logic and reason triumped.

I am continually impressed at how thoughtful and intelligent many of the CF posts from young can be. In fact, there is guy that’s 15 who posts regularly in the N&CE and GP forums that never ceases to amaze me. I’m a little embarrassed when I read young people thoughtfully graveling with some of life’s difficult questions and realize that these important matters never occurred to me at that age.


You guys give me hope for this planet as the rest of us go the way of the dinosaurs.

 

[Self Improvement]

So this is that christian love, eh?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

So this is that christian love, eh?

No, this is a complaint / flame thread. One would be hard pressed to see love in any form in this thread.
Experience has shown me that an attempt to demonstrate said love would be met with deaf ears... of course there are those of my brothers and sisters that are better gifted in reaching said types than I. Or perhaps an opportunity will present itself.

Regardless, I soon figured out that the thread title was appropriately named.

 

[Aimee30]

It might as well express the feelings as the title says. I'm finding that posting on Christian forums is quite redundant. When people can get away with saying "submit to your husband" even if he is abusing you over and over and posting a thread demonstrating how silly those actions are gets deleted because someone didn't feel like reading through it and understanding what it really was about--well, I can understand how it is to be persecuted for standing up for a cause. Leave them alone and demonstrate what love is about. I'm tired of all the bickering over the silliest things. Judge for yourself what is good and right and leave everyone else alone or don't go fishing for splinters when your eye is still holding on to that log. These are the things I have learned time after time.
Take care all, this is probably one of the last times I will make an effort to post to much of anything. There is no reason to fight a pointless battle.
If anyone reading this would care to hear much from me anymore, I have a private message box that is still in use. I would prefer to talk to people that way.