My New Apple Challenge

[PsychoSarah]

There's this book...

Which is not special compared to any other religious text, besides its popularity.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

The decay rates of isotopes are directly observed in the lab.

Yes, but not in the past. You weren't there, so you can only make assumptions about them.

The rocks were there, and the tell us the history of our solar system.

The rocks tell you nothing. You interpret data based on your Darwinist principles.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, but not in the past. You weren't there, so you can only make assumptions about them.



The rocks tell you nothing. You interpret data based on your Darwinist principles.

Uh, no, dating rocks has nothing to do with Darwin. Even if Darwin never existed, we would still know the earth is billions of years old by now.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, but not in the past.

Yes, in the past.

Supernova 1987A | AAVSO

In order for decay rates to change, you have to change the nuclear forces, the weak and strong force. If those forces were different in the past, then we would see those differences in how radioisotopes decay in distant supernovae like SN1987a. We would also see differences in how distant stars produce energy through fusion. We see absolutely no deviation in the past.

You weren't there, so you can only make assumptions about them.

We can directly observe the past by looking at the stars.

The rocks tell you nothing. You interpret data based on your Darwinist principles.

Darwin had nothing to do with radiometric dating. Also, you have not shown that my interpretation is wrong. All you have is denial.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

Supernova 1987A | AAVSO

I don't do links, either.

If those forces were different in the past, then we would see those differences in how radioisotopes decay in distant supernovae like SN1987a.

You assume.

We see absolutely no deviation in the past.

You have a time machine? Can I borrow it?

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't do links, either.



You assume.



You have a time machine? Can I borrow it?

Our "time machine" is the universe, observed things are so far away that the light that reaches us can be billions of years old, meaning we see how things were way back in the past.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

Our "time machine" is the universe, observed things are so far away that the light that reaches us can be billions of years old, meaning we see how things were way back in the past.

And you make assumptions about the light.

 

[Loudmouth]

And you make assumptions about the light.

Pathetic. We directly observe the light. No need for assumptions.

 

[PsychoSarah]

And you make assumptions about the light.

The speed of light is well known and measurable.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

The speed of light is well known and measurable.

In the present.

 

[Loudmouth]

In the present.

In the past.

Additional Topics - Supernova

By observing distant objects like supernova 1987a, we can directly measure the speed of light as it was in the past.

 

[EternalDragon]

Since AVET can't explain, could you explain why it was necessary to "embed" age into anything to make it mature? In my example I made a mature apple without embedding age into it. Is there a reason God couldn't do that?

If you made a mature apple without "embedded" age, wouldn't it be just an apple seed lying there? If at any point the apple is older than a seed and you just created it this instant, then it has embedded age.

 

[Belk]

If you made a mature apple without "embedded" age, wouldn't it be just an apple seed lying there? If at any point the apple is older than a seed and you just created it this instant, then it has embedded age.

No, that is not how AV defines embedded age.

 

[Split Rock]

I could have told you that.

Maturity today comes from ... well ... maturing; a process that takes time.

So while maturity does not require embedding age, embedding age is embedding maturity without history.

Cute.

Oh, now that's just golden ... like golden apples.

(More like FeS[sub]2[/sub] though.)

And you still haven't explained why creating a mature apple... not allowing it to grow... creating a mature apple requires embedding age.

 

[Split Rock]

If you made a mature apple without "embedded" age, wouldn't it be just an apple seed lying there? If at any point the apple is older than a seed and you just created it this instant, then it has embedded age.

No. I created the apple ex nihilo. Why would I need to "embed" age into? Why would not embedding age into the apple mean I created an apple seed instead of an apple?

 

[Split Rock]

Once again, trying to change the subject.

Show the Earth is 4.5 billion years old without using assumptions.

Show that you exist without making assumptions.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you still haven't explained why creating a mature apple... not allowing it to grow... creating a mature apple requires embedding age.

Maturity without age?

That's like a newborn baby quoting Pi to the 20th decimal place.

 

[PsychoSarah]

In the present.

If it was different in the past, light we see from stars would show it.

 

[EternalDragon]

No. I created the apple ex nihilo. Why would I need to "embed" age into? Why would not embedding age into the apple mean I created an apple seed instead of an apple?

An apple needs to grow to be an apple. Creating one would mean some sort of embedded age. Otherwise it would not/could not be created ex nihilo (a fully grown apple).

Maybe it would be clearer if the apple were a twenty year old human male. If you created a fully grown human male it would not look like a baby. It would look like an adult of twenty years. Hence have embedded age. Otherwise it wouldn't be, act or look like a twenty year old.

 

[lasthero]

Maybe it would be clearer if the apple were a twenty year old human male. If you created a fully grown human male it would not look like a baby. It would look like an adult of twenty years. Hence have embedded age. Otherwise it wouldn't be, act or look like a twenty year old.

A person who's grown to be twenty years old is going to have things like scars, abrasions, et cetera. If you scan him, you'll find remnants of food in his system. He'll have fingers prints that come from things that happen in the womb. He'll have a belly button from where his umbilical cord was cut.

Would your instantly created man have any of these things? If so, why?