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So if you told your child to clean his room, and an hour later you check in and find a note saying "I put all my toys away, vaccuumed the floor, folded my clothes, dusted the shelves, and made my bed, all in the last hour" but the room is filthy, would you take that written testimony as fact, and that this is some sort of embedded filth that cme about only after he left, or would you realize that whoever wrote that note was being deceitful?
I'm not Omphalos.You claim no history is embedded and yet there is, and you always refuse to acknowledge as such.
if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck..I'm not Omphalos.
A mannequin of an old man can be created in one day. The mannequin is brand new, but represents an old man; and from a distance, would appear old; and is as durable as a brand-new mannequin.[serious];52983116 said:You draw a rather meager distinction between appearance of age and created with age. Both are essentially the same embedded age argument though.
A mannequin of an old man can be created in one day. The mannequin is brand new, but represents an old man; and from a distance, would appear old; and is as durable as a brand-new mannequin.
In contrast, an old man can be created ex nihilo; and although he is "brand new", he is old and feeble, and cannot endure what a younger man can.
Appearance of age is one thing --- old is another.
Wikipedia: Omphalos (book) said:"From any examination of a post-creation world, the world would appear to have been created in the cycle of normal processes, and would look old."
Thus, Adam would have a navel, trees would have growth rings, long-period radioactive decay would appear to have occurred, etc, in order that no matter how detailed an examination we undertake, we will be misled as to the true age of things. In other words, the concept of omphalos is pretty much identical to your concept of "embedded age".
A mannequin of an old man can be created in one day. The mannequin is brand new, but represents an old man; and from a distance, would appear old; and is as durable as a brand-new mannequin.
In contrast, an old man can be created ex nihilo; and although he is "brand new", he is old and feeble, and cannot endure what a younger man can.
Appearance of age is one thing --- old is another.
He didn't --- but I'm sure that won't stop anyone from still saying He is deceitful.If God made Earth appear older than it was, he's a very deceitful God.
Matthew 27:63 said:Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
I was describing something that only appears old, but is in fact, brand new.Omphalos does not entail what you describe through your example.
I was describing something that only appears old, but is in fact, brand new.
I'm not Omphalos --- I'm Embedded Age --- age without history.
Omphalos is embedded history.
You'd like that, wouldn't you?You'd do God less of a disservice if you just admitted you were Omphalos.
I was describing something that only appears old, but is in fact, brand new.
I'm not Omphalos --- I'm Embedded Age --- age without history.
Omphalos is embedded history.
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
Well, it's not gonna happen.
I know your frustration though --- I can't get you guys to admit you're creationists and, believe me, that is frustrating.
He didn't --- but I'm sure that won't stop anyone from still saying He is deceitful.
It's not like He's never heard it before:
If he made the universe 6000 years ago, it's not like he was honest and made it appear 6000 years old.
Almost everything about this universe appears drastically older than 6000 years.
I know your frustration though --- I can't get you guys to admit you're creationists and, believe me, that is frustrating.
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