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I will give you the answer as the Hitchens lover ran off.
"I'm your huckleberry."

We were talking about truth
Indeed, we were. Then you went full non sequitur with this...
and I asked him what the scripture meant.
Why are you asking me what scripture means? Shouldn't you know this already, as a Christian?
He does know!
Jesus is truth.
Jesus is Life. Jesus is the Way. Jesus is my co-pilot. Jesus is my friend. Jesus is my guide. WWJD?
Only people who know the truth hear jesus voice.
If you say so.
The guy failed the test but being an atheist that actually harmonizes with scripture.
Sounds a lot like; the bible is true because because the bible says it's true.
Here's the video version of the scripture.

Blue eyes? Really?
 
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"I'm your huckleberry."


Indeed, we were. Then you went full non sequitur with this...

Why are you asking me what scripture means? Shouldn't you know this already, as a Christian?

He does know!

Jesus is Life. Jesus is the Way. Jesus is my co-pilot. Jesus is my friend. Jesus is my guide. WWJD?

If you say so.

Sounds a lot like; the bible is true because because the bible says it's true.

Blue eyes? Really?


Too late now sir! I revealed the answer.

Back to the topic.

Science can take a hike.
 
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Well, it is an answer. Just not the best one.


Sure, if all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.

I recommend you begin collecting more tools.

Well sir,if we're giving out advice I would advise you to try and think up some of your own personal ideas and stop rehashing other peoples quotes and maybe use your own name not the name and picture of a dead drunk as an identity on the forum. Stop using other peoples tools.

Peace.
 
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Well sir,if we're giving out advice I would advise you to try and think up some of your own personal ideas and stop rehashing other peoples quotes and maybe use your own name not the name and picture of a dead drunk as an identity on the forum. Stop using other peoples tools.

Peace.
Says a guy quoting the bible.
 
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Theoretically, science should never be wrong and need to correct itself if the methodology it runs on is empirical testable evidence.

"We use evidence" says mr. lab-coat and then comes back three years later because his own methodology and 'evidence' needs correcting.

Science can take a hike.

Believe whatever you like. Your concept of science is simplistic.

BTW, do you think Islam is a false religion? Because that's what they believe about Christianity. Muslims say Jesus was a prophet, but it's blasphemy to think he's God. And even the idea of dividing God into 3 parts is blasphemous. As someone once noted, there are 1000s of religions in the world, with 1000s of different gods. Each one thinks every other is a fraud. Which indicates that they're all correct--about each other.
 
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Believe whatever you like. Your concept of science is simplistic.

BTW, do you think Islam is a false religion? Because that's what they believe about Christianity. Muslims say Jesus was a prophet, but it's blasphemy to think he's God. And even the idea of dividing God into 3 parts is blasphemous. As someone once noted, there are 1000s of religions in the world, with 1000s of different gods. Each one thinks every other is a fraud. Which indicates that they're all correct--about each other.


Simplistic but accurate.
 
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Well, "scientists" *eventually* tend to admit when they are wrong, but only begrudgingly, and typically vindictively by not acknowledging the original person who came up with the idea. Check out Aristarchus of Samos. He wrote about a heliocentric model of space 1800+ years before astronomers eventually admitted their error and erroneously gave the credit to Copernicus and Galileo. Modern day astronomers like Tyson and Krauss have the audacity to blame religion for the problem too. Tyson's remake of Cosmos was utterly absurd. Tyson laughably tried to pin the blame for Ptolemy on the Catholic Church. He tried to blame the Catholic Church for astronomers not embracing heliocentrism for a couple of centuries before the birth of Christ and for the entire years 1800 years after Aristarchus first explained heliocentrism to them.

I'm not a physicist, so I can't address how intradisciplinary conflicts and rivalries are handled. My training was in medicine. I know it's sometimes difficult to change thought patterns. But it does happen. When I was in school (early-mid 70s) the conventional wisdom was that peptic ulcers are caused by excess acid production. But in the early 80s, Australian doctors Barry Marshall, a GI specialist, and Robin Warren, a pathologist, reported finding curved bacteria in biopsied ulcer specimens. They named it Helicobacter pylori, and postulated that ulcers resulted from an infection with this bacterium. The idea was thought to be ridiculous. But as more work was done, by the early 90s, it was realized that they were right on. It was a major paradigm shift, that took about 10 years to become mainstream. We now know that over 90% of duodenal ulcers, and 80% of gastric ulcers are caused by H. pylori. Effective treatment requires antibiotics as well as acid-blocking medication. And in 2005, Marshall and Warren won the Nobel Prize. So it may take time, but good science is self-correcting.

Scientists, like religious individuals are human beings and they all make the same mistakes.

I can't argue with that.
 
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I'm not a physicist, so I can't address how intradisciplinary conflicts and rivalries are handled. My training was in medicine. I know it's sometimes difficult to change thought patterns. But it does happen. When I was in school (early-mid 70s) the conventional wisdom was that peptic ulcers are caused by excess acid production. But in the early 80s, Australian doctors Barry Marshall, a GI specialist, and Robin Warren, a pathologist, reported finding curved bacteria in biopsied ulcer specimens. They named it Helicobacter pylori, and postulated that ulcers resulted from an infection with this bacterium. The idea was thought to be ridiculous. But as more work was done, by the early 90s, it was realized that they were right on. It was a major paradigm shift, that took about 10 years to become mainstream. We now know that over 90% of duodenal ulcers, and 80% of gastric ulcers are caused by H. pylori. Effective treatment requires antibiotics as well as acid-blocking medication. And in 2005, Marshall and Warren won the Nobel Prize. So it may take time, but good science is self-correcting.

Medicine, like electrical engineering, tends to be an "empirical" (lab tested) form of science, and therefore it's a lot more likely to self correct in a reasonable time frame. Unfortunately cosmology theory is a whole different ball of wax. Nothing about the topic lends itself well to active experimentation with the possible exception of dark matter, but dark matter has been a complete bust in the lab to date.
 
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