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My Kidney Challenge

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Hilarious!

Let me get my boots on and go dig in those rocks!

Hi,

That is just the point, until you are qualified, what you say, is useless in a technical discussion.

And even then, if you are qualified, only your data is looked at. Your opinions are not allowed, and they are also disruptive to the scientific process.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

That is just the point, until you are qualified, what you say, is useless in a technical discussion.

And even then, if you are qualified, only your data is looked at. Your opinions are not allowed, and they are also disruptive to the scientific process.

LOVE,

Uh huh.
 
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There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die.

Do I have the right to force you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Hi,

So today, yes, you do have that right with me.

Let us see what others will do.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

I did not think that was an insult, and since you do, please forgive me for hurting or insulting you, if you can.

I am sorry that I see no indications, that when I do and have explained things, or given you steps to perform, that you understood those as steps or procedures.,

Really, I did not mean to be terse or insulting. Yet, apparently I have been.

What I have been saying and trying to say all along, is to find out if you know anything, you must be able to teach it. At least that test works for me and most people.

And if you are doing math, you must have proofs, as that is how they expect things to be done.,

If you are doing what is called science, proofs there are mandatory.

I keep saying this. All of my work, which is merely typical science stuff, and all of them do it the same way.

On God, supposedly it cannot be proved that He exists, and supposedly it cannot be proved that He does not exist.

How accurate is that statement?

I as an electrical engineer, when confronted with the Bible, studied to see what it said, in my field. My field includes Physics.

There are many study techniques. I tried to see if I could find something wrong from a science point of view. To make sure I was right, I had to pick items in that 'book' that I completely understood. I also had to make sure that I understood what was meant in that 'book'

Now, is that last paragraph confusing? If it is, what it means is that you must go through the same steps that I did, but with your education, not mine.

If that makes sense, that is your procedure. That is what I did, and in research to see if "Nut Job (me possibly)" is wrong rather than right, you have to do what the researcher did.

Central in research, is duplicating the work of the original researcher.,

I suppose if that is not understood, then lots of what I say here will not be understood.

So, after failing, but in peer review only, I then ran controlled experiments from my background and education.

For you to repeat that, after doing step one, which was to prove the 'book' is wrong, with a proof that stands up, you would then set up some controlled experiments on that 'book' and again from your background, not mine.

The results of those control experiments are the basis then, for proving that my work is wrong or not.

You must do everything the way I did, and said, otherwise your work is invalid, in checking out my work.,

Alternately, if what I did is too confusing, you can try to disprove my work by running your own tests.

If you get different answers, one of us is wrong.

Does that make any sense? It is entirely clear to me. It is entirely simple to follow to me. I have even watched as another researcher, assigned his technician, to verify someone else's work that he was unsure of.

She, his technician was either going to get the same results as that paper said, or she was not. If her results were the same, then the researcher would only then accept that paper, that information as true.

We, in that profession do that for everything we use in research.

The procedure for you, is to find out what I did and duplicate it.

That's the steps.

LOVE,

Yeah, it still doesn't seem like you are understanding what I am saying.

Tell me of a specific passage from the Bible. Tell me how you tested this passage. I want specifics.
 
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Hi,

1.) Try and prove the Bible is wrong, or find someone else who has done it, with a proof that stands up in science.

If you do, many people will be helped, as The God Presented in there is not Real.

2.) If you fail, run controlled experiments. If you do not know how to do that, get help.

Let others know, the outcome of your work.

Your accurate and well carried out results, no matter what they are, are useful.

LOVE,

No.

You do not get to say that the proof you are right is that no one has proved you wrong. You must actually support your position with more than just making a claim.
 
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Hi,

So today, yes, you do have that right with me.

Let us see what others will do.

LOVE,

Very well.

Go to the hospital and ask them to remove your kidney so that it can be donated to someone who needs this. You have one week to comply. If you have not done this within a week, I will know that you were not telling me the truth when you said I have that right.
 
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Hi,

That is just the point, until you are qualified, what you say, is useless in a technical discussion.

And even then, if you are qualified, only your data is looked at. Your opinions are not allowed, and they are also disruptive to the scientific process.

LOVE,

So anyone who makes a claim must have done the research to back it up?

I have nto conduct experiments to show how gravity is caused by mass distorting spacetime before I can say that gravity is caused by mass distorting spacetime?
 
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Hi,

All things are controlled, like temperature.

Why do you not know that?

All calibrations are done, to NIST traceable standards. Why do you not know that?

The Lab temperatures are controlled to within 1 degree. Some labs are within 1/2 degree.

Humidity is controlled. Everything is controlled or accounted for.

All instruments are calibrated. Your hypothesis, that there is another explanation, is not correct.

Your not knowing how labs work, makes your statement of being in Chemical Adhesive Research for decades, implying that you are a researcher in a lab, is extremely improbable now.

The Chemistry is so tight in Semiconductors, that only 5-9's chemicals are allowed.

Most of a person's work in semiconductor manufacturing, is tracing down a contaminant.

You are supposed to know all of that being in Chemical Adhesive Research for two decades, as the fields are similar enough.

LOVE,

No, adhesive compounding is different and much more fun.
But you failed to produce any proof that researchers in your
field ever think they have proved anything.

Anecdotal stories about what you can remember are not even
proof that those events even occurred.
 
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Hi,
Very well.

Go to the hospital and ask them to remove your kidney so that it can be donated to someone who needs this. You have one week to comply. If you have not done this within a week, I will know that you were not telling me the truth when you said I have that right.

No, adhesive compounding is different and much more fun.
But you failed to produce any proof that researchers in your
field ever think they have proved anything.

Anecdotal stories about what you can remember are not even
proof that those events even occurred.

Hi again,

So both of you. Your statements here seem to say, this is a pesonal issue for both of you.

Your statements seem to say that unless things are proved to you personally, nothing but nothing else counts in this world.

Are you in fact saying, that?

LOVE,

By the way. I don't convince. That is for others to do.

Research is research, and stands in its own merits. Your opinions or mine do not count.

Research standing on its own merits means, it was carried out correctly, and that data is the results, with all care taken to make sure the data was taken and all errors measured.

Research is not subject to self, or opinions, only was it done correctly.

For those that have checked the research so far, they have verified that they have gotten the same results so far.

They got the same results by doing their checks correctly. They did those checks the same way the original work was done.

Have, none of you so far, ever been in a position to do that, and not be wrong in what you are allowed to present and say?

I can say anything in research, as long as I am not wrong.

LOVE.
 
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Your statements seem to say that unless things are proved to you personally, nothing but nothing else counts in this world.

Are you in fact saying, that?

Anecdotal stories about what you can remember are not even
proof that those events even occurred.

Seek the definition of proof.

proof
pro͞of/
noun
  1. 1.
    evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
    "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
    synonyms: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation,certification, documentation, validation, attestation, substantiation
    "proof of ownership"

  1. 1.
    able to withstand something damaging; resistant.
    "the marine battle armor was proof against most weapons"
    synonyms: resistant to, immune from, unaffected by, invulnerable to,impenetrable by, impervious to, repellent to
    "no system is proof against theft"
 
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Anecdotal stories about what you can remember are not even
proof that those events even occurred.

Seek the definition of proof.

proof
pro͞of/
noun
  1. 1.
    evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
    "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
    synonyms: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation,certification, documentation, validation, attestation, substantiation
    "proof of ownership"
  1. 1.
    able to withstand something damaging; resistant.
    "the marine battle armor was proof against most weapons"
    synonyms: resistant to, immune from, unaffected by, invulnerable to,impenetrable by, impervious to, repellent to
    "no system is proof against theft"

Hi,

I will no longer be responding to you if I can remember to do that.

The reason, is maybe not important.

It this though: "When you are answered, you don't recognize that you have been answered."

Normally, that happens when there is a gap that is incredibly large in experiences or in specific areas of education.

Whichever it is, the easy to understand answers you are given, you don't understand them.

I am understood easily, with those in or near my profession. I am sorry that you and I cannot bridge that gap together.

LOVE,
 
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So anyone who makes a claim must have done the research to back it up?

I have nto conduct experiments to show how gravity is caused by mass distorting spacetime before I can say that gravity is caused by mass distorting spacetime?

Hi,

So anyone who makes a claim must have done the research to back it up?

In science, yes normally that is true. Verifications can be used for other people's work. But, if you cite their work, you must prove that you understand their work and that their work is in fact correct.

I have nto conduct experiments to show how gravity is caused by mass distorting spacetime before I can say that gravity is caused by mass distorting spacetime?

If you need to use that on your findings, and you either do not understand it or it is not proven to be true yet, then yes you must conduct experiments.

LOVE,
 
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No.

You do not get to say that the proof you are right is that no one has proved you wrong. You must actually support your position with more than just making a claim.

Hi,

You asked for steps.

Those are the steps.

Does your disagreeing with the steps mean that you too, do not understand that you have been given the answer that you asked for???

LOVE,
 
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