What I mean is to give it your full open minded unbiased undecided (already in your mind it is wrong) attention and consideration....
How We Got the Word of God
If the Bible is, as it declares itself to be, God's Word to mankind, how did we get the Word of God from God? Several verses in the New Testament tell us how the Word of God, the Bible, came into existence:
II Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God
[theopneustos - God-breathed], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The Word of God came out of the mouth of God. He breathed out the scripture. God is the source of His Word. So it came from God. But how did it get to man?
II Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
This verse tells us two things. It tells us how the Word of God came to man. It also tells us how it did NOT come. It did not come by the will of man. Some person did not just decide to write his ideas and call it God's Word. A person did not think it up. It did not come from some man trying to tell about his experiences with God. Man did not decide to write the Word of God. It did not come by the will of man!
The Word of God came to men of God who spake or wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost - The Holy Spirit - GOD. In other Words, God, who is Spirit, gave His word to holy men, men who believed God, and they wrote that which He revealed to them. This truth is stated in other words in two other verses:
Galatians 1:11-12
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me [the Apostle Paul] is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ.
Once again, God tells us how the Word of God came to man and He tells us how it did NOT come.
The Word of God was not after man. It was not some idea that Paul thought up! Paul also did NOT receive the Word of God from another man. He was not taught it!
Paul was a holy man of God. God revealed His Word to Paul by revelation of [or from] Jesus Christ. It was revealed to Paul.
The word "revealed" means to uncover or show forth. God showed His Word to Paul.
To understand how this process worked, you must understand that God is Spirit (John 4:24).
In the Old Testament God would take of His Spirit and place it upon holy men who believed His Word.
Then speaking Spirit to spirit He revealed His Word to those holy men:
Numbers 11:16-17
And the Lord said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel . . .
And I will come down and talk with thee there: and
I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; . . .
Deuteronomy 34:9
And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.
Every man (or woman) to whom God revealed His Word, were holy men and women that had the spirit from God upon them.
In the New Testament, after the day of Pentecost, it became available for the spirit to be born in men and women. But the process is the same. God, who is Spirit, reveals His Word to the spirit in a holy man or woman.
There is only one source of the Word of God and that is God. He is the author of His Word.
Many men and women wrote or spoke that which God revealed to them, but God is the author of His Word.
Jeremiah was a holy man of God in the Old Testament to whom God revealed His Word. God was the author of the book of Jeremiah, but Jeremiah was the holy man of God who spoke forth that which was revealed to him. And Jeremiah had a scribe, named Baruch, who actually wrote the words down. There are many writers and speakers of the Word of God, but God is the one and only author of His Word. Take a look at how this process worked:
Jeremiah 36:1
And it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that this word came unto Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
The word of God came from the Lord unto Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 36:2
Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee . . .
God spoke to Jeremiah and told him to write the Word of God.
Jeremiah 36:4
Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the Lord, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
Jeremiah listened to God and spoke exactly what God had revealed to him. Then Baruch the scribe wrote the words - word for word - in a scroll as Jeremiah spoke. That is how we got God's Word!
Now when the king, Jehoiakim, heard the Word of God spoken by Jeremiah and written by Baruch he was not too happy. The Word of God revealed that Jehoiakim was outside of God's will, so he was not very pleased to hear what was written in the scroll:
Jeremiah 36:22-23
Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves [columns], he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jehoiakim thought that he could just cut up God's Word and burn it in the fire and that would get rid of it. But burning the scroll did not get rid of the author of the Word. God simply gave the Word to Jeremiah again:
Jeremiah 36:27-28
Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.
Jeremiah 36:32
Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim the King of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.
God protects and cares for His Word. It is very important to Him. It is His Will for man. It is the way He has chosen to reveal His Will to us.
Jehoiakim could not get rid of the Word of God because Jehoiakim could not get rid of God. God revealed the same exact words to Jeremiah and Jeremiah spoke them to Baruch who wrote them down a second time. And then God gave Jeremiah some added revelation and more like words were added to the scroll.
The Bible is God's revealed Word. You cannot know God's Will without knowing His Word. God's Word is His Will. He has taken great care to preserve it and make it available to us.
Many people ask, pray, plead, even beg for God to make known His will unto them. They read books and articles about the Bible. They ask other people what the Bible says. They look for signs from God.
They guess about what God might want them to know. They do everything but read that which God has already made known.
The Bible is just as much God talking now as it was God talking when He originally revealed it. God has guaranteed His Word.
No, I don't understand what you mean at all. Different people define ALL of the Bible differently. I'm trying to figure out which ALL you are talking about. Roman Catholics, some Anglicans, and the Eastern Orthodox include the Deuterocanon in their Bibles making them have 72 or sometimes 72+ books in their Bibles. That's six books or more than most Protestants hold to. And also, you are referring to what Paul said as if he was talking about the leather bound KJV lying on his tv. He had no such thing. The Bible as we see it was not finalized until just 500 years ago.When Paul said "scripture" the idea of the "Bible" was completely foreign to him.I am wondering what you are trying to gey me to say, what part of ALL or EVERY do you not understand.
Is the book of Mormon in the Bible?
If the books that were written after pauls death are in the bible then yes they are included, and as for the Deuterocanon? never heard that term before, but if you are reffereing to the old test books of the bible, written by moses, yes those to an dall the other prohets, also and the psalms and the proverbs, ect....
I think that you understand what I am talking about, maybe I am wrong I am not sure as of yet, I am believing that you are not baiting and looking for an inroad to casue some crazy arguement.
I will say it again, in the simplist of terms as I possible can, if you were to Go to the store in the bible section you would find the most common of all bibles the King James Version will do, all the contents in that Bible is what I am reffering to.
Well becasue I believe that Paul was a holy man of God inspired by God and that God knows what he is doing, when He inspired paul to write ALL scripture God knew that in the future there would be this day a Bible that the word ALL would refer to, God is ALL KNOWING past present and future, He is Wise and not dumb, He has foreknowledge.....
Maybe because the Bible as we now know it didn't exist when those words were written?I just wonder why you would think that he would be talking about anything other than the Bible?
Meek from Gods point of view biblically is a very, very, high compliment, so if you take it as a negative then you do not know how the word is used biblically.
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People get offended all the time, like I said before when they hear something that doesnt agree with their way of thinking or believing. Does that mean that I should stop pleasing God by speaking his word, to please men?
So you're "trying to show us what we're doing wrong," as you did with your nephew. That's what I figured. You, and you alone, know the Word of God. The rest of us are in error, and since we cannot read and study for ourselves, instead we need you, in particular, to come in and set us straight about what God's Word REALLY says.To be MEEK means to be coachable, teachable, would you say that you are coachable and teachable?
I have a great example of the opposite, my sisters boy when he was little had a little toy that had little shapes like circles and squares and triangles and such, and he kept trying to put the circle in the square and the triangle in the circle and he could never make it fit, I tried to show him that he was doing it wrong and he threw a fit and said I will do it my way, so he kept on wouldnt listen, he was not coachable or teachable, he was prideful and had to do it his way, until he actually decided to let someone show him a diff way then his own he was frustrated and upset that it wouldnt work.
Eventually he allowed me to help him and show him something new a diff approach to the problem, he became meek and allowed me to teach him.
No, I don't understand what you mean at all. Different people define ALL of the Bible differently. I'm trying to figure out which ALL you are talking about. Roman Catholics, some Anglicans, and the Eastern Orthodox include the Deuterocanon in their Bibles making them have 72 or sometimes 72+ books in their Bibles. That's six books or more than most Protestants hold to. And also, you are referring to what Paul said as if he was talking about the leather bound KJV lying on his tv. He had no such thing. The Bible as we see it was not finalized until just 500 years ago.When Paul said "scripture" the idea of the "Bible" was completely foreign to him.
Would you like to be part of our little WWMC community?
If so, tell me how you see your last paragraph in this post relating to your first paragraph?
IOW, how does your attitude expressed in the last paragraph stack up against the attitude of meekness you asked of us in the first paragraph?
WWMC is a forum where we are accustomed to mutual respect. I guess my question to you is how mutuality fits into your scheme of how things are supposed to be? Are you interested in listening to us, and not just in teaching us?
I don't think Adammi is the only one in need of a lesson in meekness.
Mystery, you're making it pretty plain that people either play by your rules or don't play at all. Anything further from me would probably cross the line into flaming, but please know that I am seriously restraining myself from saying all I'd really like to say.
So you're "trying to show us what we're doing wrong," as you did with your nephew. That's what I figured. You, and you alone, know the Word of God. The rest of us are in error, and since we cannot read and study for ourselves, instead we need you, in particular, to come in and set us straight about what God's Word REALLY says.
I've been to Bible college, sir. I have no need of a self-proclaimed teacher who initially offered "discussion" which instead quickly downgrades into "I know, and you don't."
Do not even TRY to suggest that by saying this, I am rejecting the Word of God.
Now... am I finding another candidate for my Ignore list, or are we going to discuss on equal footing, rather than having someone assume superiority?
So you're "trying to show us what we're doing wrong," as you did with your nephew. That's what I figured. You, and you alone, know the Word of God. The rest of us are in error, and since we cannot read and study for ourselves, instead we need you, in particular, to come in and set us straight about what God's Word REALLY says.
I've been to Bible college, sir. I have no need of a self-proclaimed teacher who initially offered "discussion" which instead quickly downgrades into "I know, and you don't."
Do not even TRY to suggest that by saying this, I am
rejecting the Word of God.
Now... am I finding another candidate for my Ignore list, or are we going to discuss on equal footing, rather than having someone assume superiority?
DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE SOMEONE SOMEWHERE HAS THE ALL TRUTH AND KNOWS IT?
The bible says ALL TRUTH is available, just because you all do not know it, does that make me saying I HAVE IT and want to share it wrong?
This is just like what they did to Jesus Christ they crucified him because he told them the truth and most of them hated him and turned on him for it.
If Jesus Christ were to get on the computer right now and start to type in these forums he would be hated just as much now as he was then because he would do nothing but speak God's word and no one believes God's Word anymore, only what they want to believe, if it doesnt fit with their logic they dont acccept it and reject it.
The same thing happened to Paul the people he loved and spoke the word to turned on him for speaking the truth because they didnt want it.
Lets me ask you a question? If for example someone understood the ALL TRUTH how would you want them to share it with you? Would you let them? Or would you think they were nuts because they made such a BOLD statement.
Okay. You've paralleled yourself with Jesus enough for my taste.
And to answer your question, if somebody understood ALL TRUTH, I'd expect them to know what the Deuterocanon is.
You think the power of God is something we can operate and control?
That's a new idea to us around here.
To toss around a phrase like "ALL TRUTH" and then place limits on what it would encompass is an interesting idea.That is for sure, it least the term is not.
You mean as a Christian we are not to say that we can be like him, the word says we are to FOLLOW him and IIMITATE him. It aslo says we can do the same WORKS that he did, have you ever read that?
I've never reported anyone in my life, but I'll second this.Aaah. So I'm not a true Christian, and you are.
Reported for flaming and baiting. I'll ask the mods to take it from here.
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