My first ever post was on my struggle with "the green" and here I am "again".

[L2becomeCL]

After a few weeks Im back to the place where it all began.

My first ever post when I joined here a few months ago was about my struggle with marijuna addiction. After 6 years of abstaining I had started smoking again this year when depression hit. Surfing the net looking for biblical answers I come across this forum, joined and posted my first ever thread about my struggle with marijuna. Thru that post, peoples advise, prayers and the love, mercy and Grace of Jesus, I managed to get thru and stopped. Then a few weeks ago I started again and here I am at 6am typing an SOS post.

I have stayed away from this forum as I felt like such a fraud, such a terrible fake. I just couldnt offer advise, pray or minister to people while I was so openly sinning. What right did I have. Who was I to offer biblical advise and talk about how God had radically touched my life, while going and puffing on a joint. So I left the forum. Rather then show my weakness and post that I was slipping (especially after people had sent me blessings for my encouraging words) was just a massive NO NO. To confess to all I was falling and had gone 20 steps forward and 500 steps back was unthinkable. But here I am.

My name is Carla and Im struggling once again with marijuna addiction. There I said it. I even said my name which was always so secret squirrel.

I hate admitting Im struggling.. I want to be seen as this "all together" Christain women who is on fire for the lord. Which I am when Im straight. However right now, Im a Christian women who once again after doing sooo well has fallen back to old habits. First it was one joint, now its 5+ a day. Do I want to stop marijuna? With all my heart. Do I hate it? More then you know. But I also love it as it serves a purpose at this moment in time. Ambivalence. Am I angry with myself for taking that first puff? You have no idea. But I cant go back and change that, so Its time to move forward in Christ. Am I scared about letting go of weed? Ooohhhh yes. But more then anything I want an authentic and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.

Thanks for reading

 

[E.C.]

Have you considered getting some counseling of some sort? Maybe even rehab?


I work in a restaurant with about fourteen cooks including myself. Of the fourteen I know that at least nine of them smoke pot on some regular basis of some sort. There was one who smoked a lot per day; something like, ten joints a day. What they did since they couldn't quit cold turkey was they weened it off. They went from ten a day, to nine a day, eventually seven a day and last I heard they were down to two or three a day.

Although seriously consider the counseling idea.

 

[Life2Christ]

But I also love it as it serves a purpose at this moment in time.

This statement holds the key to your addiction. What purpose does it serve? And what is it fulfilling?

 

[Smiler33]

Please don't feel bad about coming back again - we are all human and slip and slide all over the place - I certainly know that I do. The thing is you have admitted you really have a problem; perhaps you should go and find some counselling or just talk to someone face to face. You also need to pray about it too; although God knows what you are doing you need to confess your sins and repent. He can't make you stop, but if you get professional help and pray too and ask Him for help then that's an excellent start.

I'll certainly pray for you; I too suffer from depression and can well understand how smoking could help you forget your problems.

Take care and God Bless.

 

[Christsdaughter]

I read this devotional from Oswald Chamber's "My Utmost For His Highest" and thought of it when I read your post:

“I Indeed … But He” “I indeed baptize you with water … but He … will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11). Have I ever come to the point in my life where I can say, “I indeed … but He …”? Until that moment comes, I will never know what the baptism of the Holy Spirit means. I indeed am at the end, and I cannot do anything more—but He begins right there—He does the things that no one else can ever do. Am I prepared for His coming? Jesus cannot come and do His work in me as long as there is anything blocking the way, whether it is something good or bad. When He comes to me, am I prepared for Him to drag every wrong thing I have ever done into the light? That is exactly where He comes. Wherever I know I am unclean is where He will put His feet and stand, and wherever I think I am clean is where He will remove His feet and walk away. Repentance does not cause a sense of sin—it causes a sense of inexpressible unworthiness. When I repent, I realize that I am absolutely helpless, and I know that through and through I am not worthy even to carry His sandals. Have I repented like that, or do I have a lingering thought of possibly trying to defend my actions? The reason God cannot come into my life is that I am not at the point of complete repentance. “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.” John is not speaking here of the baptism of the Holy Spirit as an experience, but as a work performed by Jesus Christ. “He will baptize you … .” The only experience that those who are baptized with the Holy Spirit are ever conscious of is the experience of sensing their absolute unworthiness. “I indeed” was this in the past, “but He” came and something miraculous happened. Get to the end of yourself where you can do nothing, but where He does everything.

I hope that this was helpful and encouraging to you! Remember, it is not YOU doing it, but Him. Just submit to His power and allow Him to bring you through this victorious! He gives us strength in our weaknesses IF we realize our unworthiness/ incapabilities and submit to Him! He is everything that we need! Not only will He get you through this if you let Him, but He will meet ALL your deepest needs, including those that lead you to using "the green". May God be with you!

Christsdaughter

 

[joey_downunder]

I hate admitting Im struggling.. I want to be seen as this "all together" Christain women who is on fire for the lord. Which I am when Im straight. However right now, Im a Christian women who once again after doing sooo well has fallen back to old habits. First it was one joint, now its 5+ a day. Do I want to stop marijuna? With all my heart. Do I hate it? More then you know. But I also love it as it serves a purpose at this moment in time. Ambivalence. Am I angry with myself for taking that first puff? You have no idea. But I cant go back and change that, so Its time to move forward in Christ. Am I scared about letting go of weed? Ooohhhh yes. But more then anything I want an authentic and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.

So you're struggling with a particular sin - join the club! Even the most outwardly "on fire" christians can still be struggling with the flesh. Look at the apostle Paul's description of his battle of sin. Romans 7:7-25. It sounds like he was still having some trouble overcoming sin in his life there.

You've got through the first step though, which is admitting your sin and that you can't do it in your own strength. Once someone admits they need God's help to overcome sin in their life that's when God can and does step in.

I agree with E.C. that it does sound like you have developed a genuine chemical addiction so please think seriously about looking for professional help. Remember that God can help you through other people as well as through direct personal intervention.

 

[TigerKanga]

Where in the Bible does it say dancing with Mary Jane is a sin?

I don't do it but I don't fault those who do. Some people seem to be wound too tight, while others are not wound tight enough. If you can function when you do it then why fight it, other than fear of legal consequences which is legitimate these days depending on where you live. My sister lives in California where she has a permit from a doctor to use MJ. She has a job and supports herself just fine.

 

[znr]

I think you're being really rough on yourself.

Please, try to gently forget the '"all together" Christain women concept'. It's a facade. Truly.

You are on fire. It's apparent from your post, pot or not. Reach out and see how much you love God; I see it.

 

[znr]

Where in the Bible does it say dancing with Mary Jane is a sin?

I don't do it but I don't fault those who do. Some people seem to be wound too tight, while others are not wound tight enough. If you can function when you do it then why fight it, other than fear of legal consequences which is legitimate these days depending on where you live. My sister lives in California where she has a permit from a doctor to use MJ. She has a job and supports herself just fine.

Agreed.

I used to clean houses back in the day. I knnnnow how much prescription medicine means to the average American. It is a big hypocrisy to stigmatize pot while we ignore the growing dependence on prescription drugs.

 

[znr]

After a few weeks Im back to the place where it all began.

My first ever post when I joined here a few months ago was about my struggle with marijuna addiction. After 6 years of abstaining I had started smoking again this year when depression hit. Surfing the net looking for biblical answers I come across this forum, joined and posted my first ever thread about my struggle with marijuna. Thru that post, peoples advise, prayers and the love, mercy and Grace of Jesus, I managed to get thru and stopped. Then a few weeks ago I started again and here I am at 6am typing an SOS post.

I have stayed away from this forum as I felt like such a fraud, such a terrible fake. I just couldnt offer advise, pray or minister to people while I was so openly sinning. What right did I have. Who was I to offer biblical advise and talk about how God had radically touched my life, while going and puffing on a joint. So I left the forum. Rather then show my weakness and post that I was slipping (especially after people had sent me blessings for my encouraging words) was just a massive NO NO. To confess to all I was falling and had gone 20 steps forward and 500 steps back was unthinkable. But here I am.

My name is Carla and Im struggling once again with marijuna addiction. There I said it. I even said my name which was always so secret squirrel.

I hate admitting Im struggling.. I want to be seen as this "all together" Christain women who is on fire for the lord. Which I am when Im straight. However right now, Im a Christian women who once again after doing sooo well has fallen back to old habits. First it was one joint, now its 5+ a day. Do I want to stop marijuna? With all my heart. Do I hate it? More then you know. But I also love it as it serves a purpose at this moment in time. Ambivalence. Am I angry with myself for taking that first puff? You have no idea. But I cant go back and change that, so Its time to move forward in Christ. Am I scared about letting go of weed? Ooohhhh yes. But more then anything I want an authentic and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.

Thanks for reading

Post script:

By the way, I struggle with drug addiction. Most of the time I'm not really ashamed of it either, and I will tell you why. I know my heart; I have searched it. God has searched it. He sees past my feeble attempts to mask pain and insecurity - and I feel His love.

I look around and I see all the really "together" people, both believer and unbelievers alike. From the depths of my own pain, and the journey of accepting it and walking toward healing my eyes can clearly see past the facades. I am not ashamed because I struggle. Sometimes I write dumb things late at night after popping an Ambien (which doesn't make me sleepy, but rather high), and yes, I feel ashamed when I see the silly things I write, but overall, I have less shame these days, not more of a problem telling people that I struggle because everybody has something. And that's progress; God's hand moving.

Everyone is broken. God says " I am near to the brokenhearted" (paraphrasing), and indeed He is closer than you imagine and deeply interested in YOU above all else, and that includes your weakness and struggle. His love for you transcends your addiction.

My advice? keep walking toward Christ. If you're high when you do it, fine. Just keep walking. Let God strip you of the things that need be stripped. Human judgment cannot transform a broken soul, heal pain, or comfort. Let that go. Let go of the hope of being seen as together. You're not. And that's a good place to be.

Just keeping walking toward Christ.

 

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[miss-a]

I just in the last month struggled with an addiction, not to drugs, but oddly to t.v., a means of escape. All addictions are a means of avoidance. I realized just yesterday that I was avoiding some things, making what seemed like reasonable, spiritualized excuses for not coming clean about them with God. Just that one act has already helped me start getting free or the avoidance and the fear I was avoiding is already beginning to heal.

It is vital to pray to God and ask Him to reveal to you the thing that scares you tha tyou are avoiding and for Him to give you the courage to confess it and face it head on. YOu'll be glad you did, and He will heal both the emotional and physical part of it, and you will be free. It's a process that may take time, but it works. the enemy will keep offerig you the addiction but keep praying and the truth set you free. the avoidance is a lie that keeps you trapped. God wants you free. He will do it. trust Him. Take His hand and heart and let Him free you.

P. S. I worked for 9 years in a substance abuse recovery facility. It wasn't easy to admit my silly addiciton to zoning in front of tv, but it has been so worth it.

Praying for you,
A

 

[Moncus]

After a few weeks Im back to the place where it all began.

My first ever post when I joined here a few months ago was about my struggle with marijuna addiction. After 6 years of abstaining I had started smoking again this year when depression hit. Surfing the net looking for biblical answers I come across this forum, joined and posted my first ever thread about my struggle with marijuna. Thru that post, peoples advise, prayers and the love, mercy and Grace of Jesus, I managed to get thru and stopped. Then a few weeks ago I started again and here I am at 6am typing an SOS post.

I have stayed away from this forum as I felt like such a fraud, such a terrible fake. I just couldnt offer advise, pray or minister to people while I was so openly sinning. What right did I have. Who was I to offer biblical advise and talk about how God had radically touched my life, while going and puffing on a joint. So I left the forum. Rather then show my weakness and post that I was slipping (especially after people had sent me blessings for my encouraging words) was just a massive NO NO. To confess to all I was falling and had gone 20 steps forward and 500 steps back was unthinkable. But here I am.

My name is Carla and Im struggling once again with marijuna addiction. There I said it. I even said my name which was always so secret squirrel.

I hate admitting Im struggling.. I want to be seen as this "all together" Christain women who is on fire for the lord. Which I am when Im straight. However right now, Im a Christian women who once again after doing sooo well has fallen back to old habits. First it was one joint, now its 5+ a day. Do I want to stop marijuna? With all my heart. Do I hate it? More then you know. But I also love it as it serves a purpose at this moment in time. Ambivalence. Am I angry with myself for taking that first puff? You have no idea. But I cant go back and change that, so Its time to move forward in Christ. Am I scared about letting go of weed? Ooohhhh yes. But more then anything I want an authentic and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.

Thanks for reading

I think you have an incredible case of brainwashing. Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to give up the things you enjoy. There's nothing wrong with your marijuana use if it doesn't get in the way of your relationship with Christ. I did a lot of soul searching some time ago about whether or not marijuana use was a sin, and i've come to the conclusion that it's not. The bible warns against drunkenness and the consequences that may follow, but you have to deal with the consequences if you so choose to. The other verse often used to tackle marijuana use is the passage concerning Witchcraft, which is a big time scare tactic. The reason it was translated as "witchcraft" and not "drug use" is because it's not so much about the drug use itself, it's about using a substance to try to see visions or spirits. Whether your using drugs or not, trying to contact evil spirits or dieties is a sin. This definition reminds me of the salem witch trials, it's nothing more then witch hunt scare tactics.

Another way used to combat marijuana is when people talk about taking care of your bodies, that your body is a temple and by not taking care of it it's sin. But marijuana is far less harmful then any fast food, desert, ect.. From a health standpoint, it's one of the least harmful substances known to man. You could literally smoke it from now until you reach age 100 non stop if provided with water food and sleep and you would probably be healthier then most other people. (You should check out a documentary called "Super High Me", much like "Super Size Me").

And lastly, even if i was able to convince you that all that stuff i just talked about was true, people still bring up Romans 13 "[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

I recommend doing some reading about that passage, If you continue on to read the rest of Romans 13 and replace every instance of words like "governing authorities" with "Joseph Stalin", you'll find it's very disturbing.

""1. Everyone must submit himself to Joseph Stalin, for there is no authority except that
which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2.
Consequently, he who rebels against Joseph Stalin is rebelling against what God has
instituted and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3. For Joseph Stalin
holds no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be
free from fear of Joseph Stalin? Then do what is right and Stalin will commend you. 4.
For Joseph Stalin is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid for he
does not bear the sword for nothing. Joseph Stalin is God's servant, an agent of wrath, to
bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to Joseph
Stalin, not only because of possible punishment, but also because of conscience. 6. This is
why you pay taxes, for Joseph Stalin is God's servant, who gives full time to governing. 7.
Give Joseph Stalin what you owe him: if you owe (Stalin) taxes, pay taxes: if revenue,
then revenue; if (you owe Stalin) respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.""

Joseph stalin did not fit the criterion for what this verse was saying. There is nothing in this passage or any other passage in the Bible to indicate that I have any responsibility to submit in the area where rulers exceed their bounds. For example, I willingly pay taxes for roads, sewers, and national defense, but not for abortion and radical causes. Drug prevention is one of those radical causes. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, It never will justify the act of raiding someones house pulling you away from your family and sending you to prison, along with putting a long lasting scar on your record that will never go away. It's not O K to chain somebody up and force them to not do something because you think it's wrong in a victimless crime. What would Jesus do? Would he send a squad of angels into a drug users house and rip them from their families and throw them in the brig? Absolutely not.

You can smoke weed and still be a Christian, as well as a husband, father, student, worker, or anything else if you don't let it get in the way of your responsibilities or your relationship with Christ. The same can be said about any recreational activity.

And the fact they make you feel like a fraud infuriates me. It's the very reason i oppose big church institutions is how it makes outsiders feel like God is out of their reach. More and more i feel like the christian establishment is more evil then good.
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[znr]

I think you have an incredible case of brainwashing. Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to give up the things you enjoy. There's nothing wrong with your marijuana use if it doesn't get in the way of your relationship with Christ. I did a lot of soul searching some time ago about whether or not marijuana use was a sin, and i've come to the conclusion that it's not. The bible warns against drunkenness and the consequences that may follow, but you have to deal with the consequences if you so choose to. The other verse often used to tackle marijuana use is the passage concerning Witchcraft, which is a big time scare tactic. The reason it was translated as "witchcraft" and not "drug use" is because it's not so much about the drug use itself, it's about using a substance to try to see visions or spirits. Whether your using drugs or not, trying to contact evil spirits or dieties is a sin. This definition reminds me of the salem witch trials, it's nothing more then witch hunt scare tactics.

Another way used to combat marijuana is when people talk about taking care of your bodies, that your body is a temple and by not taking care of it it's sin. But marijuana is far less harmful then any fast food, desert, ect.. From a health standpoint, it's one of the least harmful substances known to man. You could literally smoke it from now until you reach age 100 non stop if provided with water food and sleep and you would probably be healthier then most other people. (You should check out a documentary called "Super High Me", much like "Super Size Me").

And lastly, even if i was able to convince you that all that stuff i just talked about was true, people still bring up Romans 13 "[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]I recommend doing some reading about that passage, If you continue on to read the rest of Romans 13 and replace every instance of words like "governing authorities" with "Joseph Stalin", you'll find it's very disturbing.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]""1. Everyone must submit himself to Joseph Stalin, for there is no authority except that[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Consequently, he who rebels against Joseph Stalin is rebelling against what God has[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]instituted and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3. For Joseph Stalin[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]holds no terror for those who do right[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif], but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]free from fear of Joseph Stalin? Then do what is right and Stalin will commend you. 4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]For Joseph Stalin is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid for he[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]does not bear the sword for nothing. Joseph Stalin is God's servant, an agent of wrath, to[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to Joseph[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Stalin, not only because of possible punishment, but also because of conscience. 6. This is[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]why you pay taxes, for Joseph Stalin is God's servant, who gives full time to governing. 7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Give Joseph Stalin what you owe him: if you owe (Stalin) taxes, pay taxes: if revenue,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]then revenue; if (you owe Stalin) respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.""[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Joseph stalin did not fit the criterion for what this verse was saying. There is nothing in this passage or any other passage in the Bible to indicate that I have any responsibility to submit in the area where rulers exceed their bounds. For example, I willingly pay taxes for roads, sewers, and national defense, but not for abortion and radical causes. Drug prevention is one of those radical causes. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, It never will justify the act of raiding someones house pulling you away from your family and sending you to prison, along with putting a long lasting scar on your record that will never go away. It's not O K to chain somebody up and force them to not do something because you think it's wrong in a victimless crime. What would Jesus do? Would he send a squad of angels into a drug users house and rip them from their families and throw them in the brig? Absolutely not.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]You can smoke weed and still be a Christian, as well as a husband, father, student, worker, or anything else if you don't let it get in the way of your responsibilities or your relationship with Christ. The same can be said about any recreational activity.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]And the fact they make you feel like a fraud infuriates me. It's the very reason i oppose big church institutions is how it makes outsiders feel like God is out of their reach. More and more i feel like the christian establishment is more evil then good.[/FONT]

I AGREE WITH YOU.

(caps off)

 

[Christos Anesti]

If someone thinks they have a drug problem they probably have one. Why would you try to talk such a person out of trying to stop using?

 

[Moncus]

If someone thinks they have a drug problem they probably have one. Why would you try to talk such a person out of trying to stop using?

Because his primary motivation seems to be a sense of false guilt. I'm not telling him get high 24/7, i'm trying to squash the irrational portion of what he's thinking. If he wants to quit, so be it. But it won't be in the name of God, it'll be in the name of the Christian establishment.

And mind you i still warn against the dangers of it, it's just not the same dangers most people seem to portray to him.

 

[znr]

If someone thinks they have a drug problem they probably have one. Why would you try to talk such a person out of trying to stop using?

God is about freedom FROM bondage, not bondage TO rules and establishment. That's really all the other poster seems to be saying. I agree with him.

More Christ and less Christian establishment. Amen.

 

[Moncus]

God is about freedom FROM bondage, not bondage TO rules and establishment. That's really all the other poster seems to be saying. I agree with him.

More Christ and less Christian establishment. Amen.

While i appreciate your support, that's not exactly what I'm saying. I'm challenging the entire assumed truth that smoking marijuana is a sin. Many people fighting for the position i support on the argument would say technically since it is not alcohol, it wouldn't apply when the bible talks about drunkenness. I'm not one of those people. However, Christians tend to react very differently and in a much more hostile manner towards marijuana vs alcohol. They would teach that when abusing alcohol, the risks can be very deadly. When they are talking about marijuana, not only do they say you can become psychologically addicted (which is true, same as alcohol) but they go as far as to say they're being possessed by satan when they do the drug or that it's a demonic practice, that they should be thrown in jail if they refuse to stop and completely dehumanize the user. I think American politics and racism has taken this to an extreme deadly level of "reefer madness" regarding pot use... Many people have done evil in the name of Christ over the centuries. The crusades, the selling of indulgences, witch hunts, ect... the stereotypical white Texas republican christian mentality is just another chapter in the same old story if you ask me.

 

[znr]

While i appreciate your support, that's not exactly what I'm saying. I'm challenging the entire assumed truth that smoking marijuana is a sin. Many people fighting for the position i support on the argument would say technically since it is not alcohol, it wouldn't apply when the bible talks about drunkenness. I'm not one of those people. However, Christians tend to react very differently and in a much more hostile manner towards marijuana vs alcohol. They would teach that when abusing alcohol, the risks can be very deadly. When they are talking about marijuana, not only do they say you can become psychologically addicted (which is true, same as alcohol) but they go as far as to say they're being possessed by satan when they do the drug or that it's a demonic practice, that they should be thrown in jail if they refuse to stop and completely dehumanize the user. I think American politics and racism has taken this to an extreme deadly level of "reefer madness" regarding pot use... Many people have done evil in the name of Christ over the centuries. The crusades, the selling of indulgences, witch hunts, ect... the stereotypical white Texas republican christian mentality is just another chapter in the same old story if you ask me.

In my own emotional state I wrote what I wrote out of pure frustration. If MM could help a person like me, I'd partake. I'm apparently allergic. Some years ago I was very very ill, in chronic pain, and I basically gutted it out, took nothing. I was just about to inquire about MM when out of the blue my condition began to improve just enough to give me the relief I needed. I remember a friend saying something or another about God's take on weed...funny, we were walking past the booze section of the whole foods market and I said "But people drink that crap to escape and relax, and they eat those junk food chips and shove tons of cheese into their mouths (guess what the human intestines have to say about cheese?), they take all kinds of legal scripts for anything from a pain here and there to a little blue depression and more. But Christianity says smoking weed is a sin? that's a laugh. People are dying from the standard amercian diet, drinking wine with these meals...and planning the demise of whatever law comes across there tables so they can stigmatize pot and these who need and even want it. We eat pills when we're depressed, drinks booze when we're happy, then we get depresssed from these things and start getting clean...arent we all in the same boat? so why stigmatize pot???"

Pot is the devil. Right. I wonder what God thinks, how He feels when He knows the sufferer of chronic, sometimes debilitating pain can't smoke a little weed for fear of being arrested and thrown in jail...not to mention the financial fallout resulting from the legal battles. Funny, the jailors eat high on the hog shoving all manner of garbage into their mouths, feeding disease, but those who want to relax, or find some repreive from their genuine medical problems get shafted by the establishment.

I'd love to rant on. I know a dear, wonderful, talented and amazing young man. He's 17 and he has ADHD. He smokes The Devils Weed. His mother is a raging loonie in the presence of this fact...but its ironic because she is manifesting behaviors that would run any normal kid to weed. The world's so messed up. I wonder if God cries over the mess we've created by attempting to erect churches that, in the end, don't minister to hurting, deeply broken shattered lives they were supposed to care for...because above all else we MUST please God with our manmade rules and perceptions.

If smoking pot is a sin so then must it be a sin to drink wine. How many people drink wine for medicinal purposes...yeah that's what I thought. It's not a sin to drink a few glasses of nice wine every night, in fact it might be healthy to drink a glass of red several times a week...but pot is a SIN. I'm frankly fed up with the hypocrisy...but if ever I need pot to ease me through a bout of horrid pain, that's my God given right and decision. It's my decision. God is good and loving and I don't see God taking offense by a well thought out life that includes valid reasons for needing certain medications like pot.

I always feel like a freak around here. Now there's another "rebellious" freak. Well, I guess we're in good company. Jesus was a rebellious man at just the right time(s)...

Its late so I'll stop. I'm really glad you're here. End rant

 

[Moncus]

In my own emotional state I wrote what I wrote out of pure frustration. If MM could help a person like me, I'd partake. I'm apparently allergic. Some years ago I was very very ill, in chronic pain, and I basically gutted it out, took nothing. I was just about to inquire about MM when out of the blue my condition began to improve just enough to give me the relief I needed. I remember a friend saying something or another about God's take on weed...funny, we were walking past the booze section of the whole foods market and I said "But people drink that crap to escape and relax, and they eat those junk food chips and shove tons of cheese into their mouths (guess what the human intestines have to say about cheese?), they take all kinds of legal scripts for anything from a pain here and there to a little blue depression and more. But Christianity says smoking weed is a sin? that's a laugh. People are dying from the standard amercian diet, drinking wine with these meals...and planning the demise of whatever law comes across there tables so they can stigmatize pot and these who need and even want it. We eat pills when we're depressed, drinks booze when we're happy, then we get depresssed from these things and start getting clean...arent we all in the same boat? so why stigmatize pot???"

Pot is the devil. Right. I wonder what God thinks, how He feels when He knows the sufferer of chronic, sometimes debilitating pain can't smoke a little weed for fear of being arrested and thrown in jail...not to mention the financial fallout resulting from the legal battles. Funny, the jailors eat high on the hog shoving all manner of garbage into their mouths, feeding disease, but those who want to relax, or find some repreive from their genuine medical problems get shafted by the establishment.

I'd love to rant on. I know a dear, wonderful, talented and amazing young man. He's 17 and he has ADHD. He smokes The Devils Weed. His mother is a raging loonie in the presence of this fact...but its ironic because she is manifesting behaviors that would run any normal kid to weed. The world's so messed up. I wonder if God cries over the mess we've created by attempting to erect churches that, in the end, don't minister to hurting, deeply broken shattered lives they were supposed to care for...because above all else we MUST please God with our manmade rules and perceptions.

If smoking pot is a sin so then must it be a sin to drink wine. How many people drink wine for medicinal purposes...yeah that's what I thought. It's not a sin to drink a few glasses of nice wine every night, in fact it might be healthy to drink a glass of red several times a week...but pot is a SIN. I'm frankly fed up with the hypocrisy...but if ever I need pot to ease me through a bout of horrid pain, that's my God given right and decision. It's my decision. God is good and loving and I don't see God taking offense by a well thought out life that includes valid reasons for needing certain medications like pot.

I always feel like a freak around here. Now there's another "rebellious" freak. Well, I guess we're in good company. Jesus was a rebellious man at just the right time(s)...

Its late so I'll stop. I'm really glad you're here. End rant

I'm really not sure where your ranting is coming from. If your allergic you shouldn't touch it at all.. and I'm sorry that's not an option for you. But rebellion doesn't really have anything to do with it... And i'de hardly call myself a freak and... are you even a Christian?..if not why would you care if it was a sin or not? I don't mean to be rude but it seems like your mostly just ranting off the top of your head how you feel about this, which in effect means you sound like you don't know what your talking about... :d And try a little humility... I'm basing my argument on scripture and logic.. I've gone very in depth into the subject, but you have to keep an open mind that there's information you don't already know that could change your opinion on the subject.

Regardless, this is a conversation in someone elses topic about their drug use. So if you want to continue the conversation use PMs.