My Finch Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Why not read the book itself?

Do you read up on everything you disagree with?

Do I need to read Playboy to say it's trash that exploits women?

 

[pitabread]

Do you read up on everything you disagree with?

If I want to talk about it, yes.

Is this a strange concept for you?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If I want to talk about it, yes.

Is this a strange concept for you?

Do you believe the Genesis account of origins?

 

[AV1611VET]

Slavers were Christian.

I heard murderers were Christians too.

Done, of course, in spite of the Bible; not with respect to It.

 

[pitabread]

Do you believe the Genesis account of origins?

No. But I have read it.

 

[AV1611VET]

If that embryo/fetus/zygote/baby dies because she refuses to give it time in her body that's sad but it's her decision.

That's gonna change when Jesus returns.

But until then, what about the father? does he have any say in the matter? or my taxes?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No. But I have read it.

Have you read John Lennox’s Book on the creation account?

 

[pitabread]

Have you read John Lennox’s Book on the creation account?

No, I haven't even heard of it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The facts of abortion are that a woman can do with her body whatever she wants. The fetus/baby dies if she chooses abortion and that's regrettable. But whatever it is it has no rights. Just as I don't have the right to demand that you donate blood to me even if I will die without it. That law has been settled for a very, very long time. We can't even take organs from dead people without their permission but you insist that a fetus/baby (whatever you want to call it) has the right to take blood and fluids and nutrients from a woman without her consent. That's simply not right. She is an adult woman (in most cases) and has the right to decide if she wants to be pregnant or not. If that embryo/fetus/zygote/baby dies because she refuses to give it time in her body that's sad but it's her decision. Not yours. Certainly not the government's.

You want to call it a baby because that tugs on emotional heart strings and makes your case to force her to give birth easier. It's all based upon the belief that a soul enters this "whatever" at the moment of conception. You can't even tell me when that is. You can't give me evidence that a "soul" exists.

So I'll tell you what. I'll defend your right to give birth anytime you get pregnant. I'll defend anyone's right to give birth anytime they want. But it's also anyone's right to not be pregnant. One thing we should be doing is teaching kids about contraception. Something else you folks are working against.

Is there any rational course of action you're not against?

I’m also sorry for the fathers whose sons or daughters are murdered by their partner.

I wonder if those who verbally agreed with the murder of the unborn will face the same judgement from God as those who did it?

 

[HitchSlap]

Only the title, my friend, only the title.

That's all I need.

Which is why everyone... but you... knows you're wrong.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No, I haven't even heard of it.

It’s a more complex discussion of origins. What about “Darwin’s Black Box?”

 

[pitabread]

It’s a more complex discussion of origins. What about “Darwin’s Black Box?”

Yes, I've read Darwin's Black Box. I've read a bunch of ID literature from authors including Behe, Dembski, Denton and Meyer.

 

[AV1611VET]

No. But I have read it.

Oh, wow.

One page. 31 verses.

And you want me to read a whole book?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes, I've read Darwin's Black Box. I've read a bunch of ID literature from authors including Behe, Dembski, Denton and Meyer.

Compliment!

 

[pitabread]

Compliment!

Thank you.

For the record, the reason I'm so critical of and/or disillusioned by ID, is precisely from reading a lot of ID literature.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which is why everyone... but you... knows you're wrong.

Full title: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Abbreviated title: On the Origin of Species

Abbreviated title: The Preservation of Favoured Races

Abbreviated longer title: The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Abbreviated title with word change: Origins

Show me where I'm specifically wrong.

 

[Phred]

What do you suggest blaming lying on?


As I said, USA slave owners and sellers and buyers we’re definitely NOT following the biblical instructions on slavery. I know you don’t like those facts but that is the truth.

That's special. And yet they all thought they were Christians. They had Bibles on the slave ships that went back and forth across the Atlantic. The slave owners went to church on Sunday. I know you don't like facts but YOU don't get to decide who is a Christian and who isn't. That's up to your God and he didn't see fit to do anything to any one of them.

 

[pitabread]

Oh, wow.

One page. 31 verses.

I've read the entirety of Genesis (among other books of the Bible); a little more than a page.

And you want me to read a whole book?

Too much for you?

I think the longest single book I've ever read was about 1200 pages. How about you?

 

[HitchSlap]

Full title: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Abbreviated title: On the Origin of Species

Abbreviated title: The Preservation of Favoured Races

Abbreviated longer title: The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Abbreviated title with word change: Origins

Show me where I'm specifically wrong.

Right, you have a fetish for Darwin's book titles.

No judgement here.

 

[Phred]

Full title: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Abbreviated title: On the Origin of Species

Abbreviated title: The Preservation of Favoured Races

Abbreviated longer title: The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Abbreviated title with word change: Origins

Show me where I'm specifically wrong.

Where you try to turn it into a book about human beings and racism. Since you've never read it and wouldn't understand it if you did read it your outraged act doesn't play very well.