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He's obviously talking about the thing the picture depicts. Not the picture.
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D'oh! [/homer]
Yeah. I was trying to make a clumsy point by analogy about his pointless semantic 'argument'.
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So you accept such a thing exists? But it couldn't evolve stepwise, therefore God designed it.
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Ah, but, part of the requirement for evolution is that it happens across generations - a single individual will not evolve. So if bicycles evolve, then they must reproduce, and if they reproduce, they are not bicycles, are they?
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no. im talking about a regular bicycles. means without the ability to reproduce. so if such a bicycles will evolve naturally you will not consider it as a bicycles. right?
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Kylie gave this definition of a bicycle:
...a metal vehicle consisting of a metal framework built of two triangles, with one fixed wheel, one steerable wheel (by means of a handlebar attached to a fork inserted through part of the triangular frame), with the fixed wheel connected by a chain to a gear turned by a crank with pedals attached so a human rider can operate those pedals and thus propel the bicycle with his or her feet.
There is nothing in that definition indicating an ability to reproduce, so whatever you're proposing is not, by definition, a bicycle. That's really the whole point of this exercise - to get you to understand that definitions are extremely important.
But you will just ignore this and continue on as usual.....
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What you are talking about makes no sense. Evolution REQUIRES reproduction. If bicycles can't reproduce, then they can't evolve. If something evolves, then whatever it is, it isn't a bicycle.
Here's a helpful diagram:
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its an hypothetical question. lets assume that this bicycle evolved in front of your eyes:
(image from X-Rated Spektor BMX Bike 20" Wheel)
now, since your definition for bicycle required design, its not a bicycle by definition. you see now why definitions are problematic?
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What I don't see is how it reproduces. Does it have reproductive organs? A genome? Are there male and female bicycles, or does it reproduce by binary fission?its an hypothetical question. lets assume that this bicycle evolved in front of your eyes:
(image from X-Rated Spektor BMX Bike 20" Wheel)
now, since your definition for bicycle required design, its not a bicycle by definition. you see now why definitions are problematic?
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Now I'm going to muddy the waters:
The design of the bicycle has evolved. I've watched it.
The design of the bicycle has evolved. I've watched it.
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By "evolve in front of my eyes" you mean I observe generations upon generations of some objects having sex, getting pregant, bearing offspring, and at some point this bicycle is born?its an hypothetical question. lets assume that this bicycle evolved in front of your eyes:
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No, definitions are not problematic. The problem lies 100% in your ridiculous fantasies. Bicycles cannot, and never will, reproduce. That's not a problem with the definition of a bicycle, it's a problem with your fantasy.
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It appears to me that, years from now, folks will still be explaining to xianghua that bicycles do not have babies.
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