My fat loss experiment

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2015

simonpeter said:
That may be, but your version of cardio (HIIT) is not something regular people can do. For most, cardio means simply jogging, cycling, etc. Sprinting and other activities are so strenuous regular people can never do them long term.

Sure regular people can do it and the vast majority of the population has the physical capability to do it. The problem is, they don't have the emotional motivation to do it.

Achieving a high level of fitness, whether it be being able to perform long durations of endurance activities, lift very heavy weights or perform high intensity interval work, requires putting the effort in and challenging the body.

Of course, it is much better for a person to simply go out and walk a couple miles a day, vs doing nothing.

ananda · Jun 2, 2015

bhsmte said:
How does consuming a diet of 70% fats, work to keep one fit and their muscles toned?

In my case, addiction to carbs as a result of blood sugar spikes and crashes causes body fat accumulation. Consuming (the correct) fats provides a smooth and long-term energy supply and prevents overconsumption or the desire to snack.

Most simple carbs also cause inflammation, whjich the body sequesters away in body fat to prevent systemic damage.

My body and brain also works best burning ketone bodies (fat), instead of carbs (a poor substitute).

ananda · Jun 2, 2015

Also, some people get fat because they're not consuming the correct nutrients their body is missing (like some women during pregnancy). So, they eat and eat and eat in response to an innate search for those missing nutrients. Exercising hard in this case would do more harm than good (as exercise is likely using up the low amount of nutrients)..

Others get fat because they're consuming too many toxins (pesticides, antibiotics, heavy metals, non-food substances, etc.). The body hides it all away in body fat so they don't harm the body or brain. Intense exercise in this case may also be harmful, since burning up that fat also means releasing those hidden toxins into the bloodstream which can then affect organs, etc.

Other people get fat because they may be hypothyroid, causing their metabolism to work slower than normal.

There are other reasons as well.

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2015

ananda said:
In my case, addiction to carbs as a result of blood sugar spikes and crashes causes body fat accumulation. Consuming (the correct) fats provides a smooth and long-term energy supply and prevents overconsumption or the desire to snack.

Most simple carbs also cause inflammation, whjich the body sequesters away in body fat to prevent systemic damage.

My body and brain also works best burning ketone bodies (fat), instead of carbs (a poor substitute).

Quick question; do you exercise and if so, what exactly do you do?

For some, carbs can indeed be a problem, but it depends on the person. So I would imagine, you keep your carb intake to less than 30-40 grams a day?

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2015

ananda said:
Also, some people get fat because they're not consuming the correct nutrients their body is missing (like some women during pregnancy). So, they eat and eat and eat in response to an innate search for those missing nutrients. Exercising hard in this case would do more harm than good (as exercise is likely using up the low amount of nutrients)..

Others get fat because they're consuming too many toxins (pesticides, antibiotics, heavy metals, non-food substances, etc.). The body hides it all away in body fat so they don't harm the body or brain. Intense exercise in this case may also be harmful, since burning up that fat also means releasing those hidden toxins into the bloodstream which can then affect organs, etc.

Other people get fat because they may be hypothyroid, causing their metabolism to work slower than normal.

There are other reasons as well.

Any evidence to support what you state above?

The vast majority of people gain body fat, because of their lifestyle; what they eat, how much they eat and how little physical activity they engage in.

Sure, there are some that gain fat because of hormone issues, but these are the outliers.

ananda · Jun 2, 2015

bhsmte said:
Quick question; do you exercise and if so, what exactly do you do?

For some, carbs can indeed be a problem, but it depends on the person. So I would imagine, you keep your carb intake to less than 30-40 grams a day?

My formal exercise: I do a leisurely walk, maybe a few times a week, 20-30 minutes each time.

Yes, I aim to stay under 40g of carbs a day.

ananda · Jun 2, 2015

bhsmte said:
Any evidence to support what you state above?

Plenty ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/malnutrition-obesity_b_1324760.html
http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2007/12/obesity-is-it-form-of-malnutrition.html
http://www.wellnessresources.com/we...mpede_weight_loss_-_the_leptin_diet_weight_l/

The vast majority of people gain body fat, because of their lifestyle; what they eat, how much they eat and how little physical activity they engage in. Sure, there are some that gain fat because of hormone issues, but these are the outliers.

Any evidence to support what you state above?

I disagree. There are many causes for obesity, including what I listed, and many others.

bhsmte · Jun 2, 2015

ananda said:
Plenty ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/malnutrition-obesity_b_1324760.html
http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2007/12/obesity-is-it-form-of-malnutrition.html
http://www.wellnessresources.com/we...mpede_weight_loss_-_the_leptin_diet_weight_l/

Any evidence to support what you state above?

I disagree. There are many causes for obesity, including what I listed, and many others.

Sure, obesity can be primarily caused by a number of factors.

The most common though IMO and I believe it is supported with research and an understand of basic human physiology, is lifestyle and within lifestyle, the most important being the amount of physical activity one engages in and the amount of calories they consume and what they consume.

With modern technology, the greatest change in many humans lives over the last several decades, has been utilization of computers and television and for kids, video game. Since both of these tools require one to be sedentary for extended periods of time, it has had a dramatic impact on the amount of caloric expenditure each person has, and more importantly, sedentary lifestyles promote; being less sensitive to insulin, less stable blood sugars (requiring one to constantly eat), less ability to store sugars as fuel (glycogen) and instead it goes to fat, more depression, which causes some to eat and a variety of other physiological benefits from exercise.

The human body was designed to move and move constantly throughout the day and that is how we evolved. We did so we could hunt for food without tiring and we still have the same genetics today. When this movement we were designed to do is absent, health problems ensue and many more than just obsesity

http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/29/1/1.full

simonpeter · Jun 3, 2015

@bhsmte can u comment on this article that goes against your view:
http://baye.com/food-vs-activity/

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2015

simonpeter said:
@bhsmte can u comment on this article that goes against your view:
http://baye.com/food-vs-activity/

I disagree with some of the article and I will explain why.

It is true, that if someone used to be very active and then were injured and could not exercise, they could avoid gaining excessive fat by simply reducing their caloric intake. The problem is, few people can maintain reducing their caloric intake enough, to avoid gaining fat, because eating becomes a habit for people, that is very difficult to change. Also, many studies have found, the proper type of exercise, can actually suppress your appetite.

Furthermore, since it has been proven, that regular and the right types of exercise, increase insulin sensitivity, the person who does not exercise, will lose this benefit. Becoming less insulin sensitive, increases the risk of needing to eat more throughout the day, because blood sugars tend to be more erratic and this promotes consuming more calories and gaining fat. Also, when a person goes from a higher level of activity to little or no activity, their ability to store glycogen as fuel for the exercise, is also diminished, because the glycogen is not necessary any longer to fuel their exercise. If food is not being stored as glycogen, it is much more likely to be stored as fat.

The lynch pin of any program to lose fat, or stay lean, should be exercise, because of the myriad of physiological adaptations that occur when the body is engaged in exercise and only with exercise. The fit person also tends to burn more fat at rest, because of the need to store glycogen and retain sugars for higher level activities. The sedentary person tend to burn less fat at rest and is more prone to store the fat as adipose tissue.

HonestTruth · Jun 3, 2015

simonpeter said:
Hi friends,

For the last couple of months, I've been experimenting with intermittent fasting. In line with this diet philosophy, I've been eating only two heavy meals a day (lunch and dinner), with some beverages in between.

The result: lost two inches off my waist in two months.

I am happy with the progress but am wondering if this progress is too slow. I know people who lose 3 inches in just one month. So are there people with experience in intermittent fasting - do u see it as a lifestyle thing or just a temporary diet to shed fat?

Your thoughts and insights will be appreciated. I still have two more inches to lose in my waist, and I hope Intermittent fasting can help.

Sounds like good progress to me.

I am one of those people who can easily lose weight without trying all that much. This was especially true when I was younger and played sports. Back then, I could easily lose 20-25 pounds in two weeks or less.

Not so much today but I was successful in losing weight with the gluten free diet. Take out all forms of wheat/barley from your diet and the weight will come off easily. Also try this:

No water for one hour before your meals, during your meals, and for at least two hours thereafter. This always worked for me and for those who have a problem with water retention.

Keep up the good work!

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2015

HonestTruth said:
Sounds like good progress to me.

I am one of those people who can easily lose weight without trying all that much. This was especially true when I was younger and played sports. Back then, I could easily lose 20-25 pounds in two weeks or less.

Not so much today but I was successful in losing weight with the gluten free diet. Take out all forms of wheat/barley from your diet and the weight will come off easily. Also try this:

No water for one hour before your meals, during your meals, and for at least two hours thereafter. This always worked for me and for those who have a problem with water retention.

Keep up the good work!

If you lost 20-25 pounds in two weeks, you just lost a bunch of water and very little fat.

HonestTruth · Jun 3, 2015

Likely true. Kept me in great shape when I was young (an admittedly LONG time ago!).

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2015

HonestTruth said:
Likely true. Kept me in great shape when I was young (an admittedly LONG time ago!).

Losing that much weight in fluid is not healthy.

HonestTruth · Jun 3, 2015

bhsmte said:
Losing that much weight in fluid is not healthy.

63 years ago I was declared dead.

And no, I am definitely not a zombie. I'm still around cause I take care of myself.

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2015

HonestTruth said:
63 years ago I was declared dead.

And no, I am definitely not a zombie. I'm still around cause I take care of myself.

Not sure what this has to do with my post.

I was simply stating, losing 20-25 pounds in two weeks is not healthy, because it would mean a person lost mostly fluid weight.

Our bodies weight is composed of 70% fluid and the fluid serves a function and losing that much of it, is not healthy.

HonestTruth · Jun 3, 2015

I coached sports and have seen athletes lose even more water weight in such a short span. It is only a myth that loss of excess water is dangerous.

MrJim · Jun 3, 2015

I dropped 31 lbs last year using that form of fasting and only walking as exercise...will be starting up again in later next week..doing an "experiment" of my own..

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2015

HonestTruth said:
I coached sports and have seen athletes lose even more water weight in such a short span. It is only a myth that loss of excess water is dangerous.

I didn't use the word dangerous, I said it wasn't healthy. Of course if the water loss gets to a certain point, it can be dangerous.

For athletes especially, losing a lot of water in a short period of time is going to deteriorate performance. Cramping muscles, less fluid to carry essential electrolytes to the muscles and actually less blood volume, which decreases ability to uptake oxygen.

miss-a · Jun 3, 2015

simonpeter said:
That may be, but your version of cardio (HIIT) is not something regular people can do. For most, cardio means simply jogging, cycling, etc. Sprinting and other activities are so strenuous regular people can never do them long term.

Actually, that's the cool thing about intervals. You can start at your own level and work up as your body gets stronger. You can start with something like the first link I posted and as you get more fit begin adding the more strenuous moves like in the second link. It's not so much about a particular move. It's about working hard, whatever is hard for you, for brief spurts, allowing your body and heartrate to recover back to a lower pace and then revving it back up with the hard work again, and repeating that cycle at least three times, more if you want. So intervals really can be for virtually everyone.

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