My Evolution Challenge

[Cabal]

I do.

How can you interpret something you don't have?

See, if your "literalist" basis weren't so shoddily cobbled together out of personal extraBiblical speculation, I might even give that statement a second glance.

However, you've clearly already decided there aren't supporting verses (in your opinion only) so why bother to issue the challenge and why should we bother to answer it?

 

[The Lady Kate]

Excuse me --- the Bible says it, that settles it.

Why do you think the Bible portrays those living in Samaria as going "up" to the city, if Samaria wasn't south of Jerusalem?

Everything is "gradual" to you guys --- instantaneous to us, though ---

So now you're defending your own lie... again.

Is this about glorifying God, the Bible, or yourself?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

So now you're defending your own lie... again.

Is this about glorifying God, the Bible, or yourself?

These terms have become rather interchangeable to him.

 

[theFijian]

Genesis 2:7 KJV

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Clearly this speaks to man evolving from earlier primates to the point in which God imparted a soul.

What do I win???

Which makes as least as many verses as support dispensationalism!

 

[Freodin]

Why do you think the Bible portrays those living in Samaria as going "up" to the city, if Samaria wasn't south of Jerusalem?

Wait, wait, wait... I´m trying hard to wring my understanding of English to the maximum.

So let´s see what this sentence says.

1. The Bible portrays those living in Samaria as going "up" to the city.
2. "The city" here is Jerusalem.
3. The reason the Bible says "up" is because Samaria is south of Jerusalem.
4. If Samaria wasn´t south of Jerusalem, the Bible would not make this statement.

Em... but Samaria isn´t south of Jerusalem - it´s north of Jerusalem.

Did my command of English just leave me?

Perhaps AV wants to tell us that Samaria WAS south of Jerusalem, until the "world was turned upside down". But if this reversal was indeed a reversal in the magnetic field, this would have gone unnoticed by, well, everybody, as the magnetic compass hadn´t been invented yet. The directions... north, south, east and west... are not derived from magnetism, but from the movement of the sun. It is not for nothing that we have terms like "orient" and "occident" for east and west... they literally mean "ascend" and "descend".

 

[The Lady Kate]

Wait, wait, wait... I´m trying hard to wring my understanding of English to the maximum.

So let´s see what this sentence says.

1. The Bible portrays those living in Samaria as going "up" to the city.
2. "The city" here is Jerusalem.
3. The reason the Bible says "up" is because Samaria is south of Jerusalem.
4. If Samaria wasn´t south of Jerusalem, the Bible would not make this statement.

Em... but Samaria isn´t south of Jerusalem - it´s north of Jerusalem.

Did my command of English just leave me?

Perhaps AV wants to tell us that Samaria WAS south of Jerusalem, until the "world was turned upside down". But if this reversal was indeed a reversal in the magnetic field, this would have gone unnoticed by, well, everybody, as the magnetic compass hadn´t been invented yet. The directions... north, south, east and west... are not derived from magnetism, but from the movement of the sun. It is not for nothing that we have terms like "orient" and "occident" for east and west... they literally mean "ascend" and "descend".

Except that this is AV1611VET's own imagination, not a legitimate interpretation of Scripture... he's already admitted that even he doesn't believe this nonsense.

 

[sbvera13]

For a literalist, he's using a distinctly non-literal interpretation of "up".

 

[Tinker Grey]

For a literalist, he's using a distinctly non-literal interpretation of "up".

Indeed. Shouldn't Jerusalem be floating above Samaria? Or, perhaps Samaria was in a valley.

 

[AV1611VET]

But if this reversal was indeed a reversal in the magnetic field, this would have gone unnoticed by, well, everybody, as the magnetic compass hadn´t been invented yet.

No magnetic compass needed.

And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

I can tell which direction N is w/o one.

 

[Freodin]

No magnetic compass needed.I can tell which direction N is w/o one.

Err, yes, you (usually) can do that without a magnetic compass. And now please tell me how you do that.#

My point was that you would need a magnetic compass (or any other device that would align to the magnetic field - which would be an equivalent of a compass) to notice a reversal in the magnetic field. Humans cannot recognize this field unaided.

And as this compass had not been invented in 58AD (ok, there are earlier mentions in China... but again the Chinese seem to have been missing this event), the directions had not been defined by magnetism, but by the movement of the sun (and other celestial objects).

So in order for Nero to notice that the world was turned "upside down"... the path of the sun would have to be reversed. That is, not the magnetic field would have turned, but the physical planet.

Do you believe that?

 

[AV1611VET]

Err, yes, you (usually) can do that without a magnetic compass. And now please tell me how you do that.

The direction the sun rises and/or sets.

I face North, and East, the direction of the rising sun, is on my right.

 

[The Lady Kate]

The direction the sun rises and/or sets.

I face North, and East, the direction of the rising sun, is on my right.

You forgot what you were pretending to believe, AV1611VET.

You claimed you were using the Bible to support the magnetic fields reversing... not the physical orientation of Earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

You forgot what you were pretending to believe, AV1611VET.

You claimed you were using the Bible to support the magnetic fields reversing... not the physical orientation of Earth.

I made a claim and backed it with Scripture.

If you think I'm wrong, that's your prerogative.

 

[The Lady Kate]

I made a claim and backed it with Scripture.

If you think I'm wrong, that's your prerogative.

You've already admitted it was a bogus claim...

For a professing Christian, you do go through a lot of trouble to make Scripture look foolish.

 

[AV1611VET]

You've already admitted it was a bogus claim...

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[LifeToTheFullest!]

I made a claim and backed it with Scripture.

If you think I'm wrong, that's your prerogative.

I made a claim and also backed it up with scripture. My claim, in context is valid. There is not one other scripture that disputes my claim.

If you disagree, that's your prerogative.

 

[The Lady Kate]

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yes, yes... your name was mentioned.

Have a cookie.

 

[Wedjat]

This is just too good

 

[Cabal]

I made a claim and backed it with Scripture.

If you think I'm wrong, that's your prerogative.

So AV, did God embed all the evidence for this magnetic flip out of the Earth then?

 

[laconicstudent]

So AV, did God embed all the evidence for this magnetic flip out of the Earth then?

Come on Cabal! Haven't you ever heard of the Bible Code?