My encounter with an Angel? or Demon?

[BobRyan]

I'm talking about things like ritual abuse, not people worshiping Zeus.

There are a great many primitive cultures engaged in worship of demons, ritual abuse, and no knowledge at all about greek gods like Zeus.

 

[BobRyan]

I meant one passage. Right?

Yes one chapter can speak to past present and future events.

"Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow"

I could also post more paragraphs where I do the same thing with past present and future. And in the case of Ezek 28 God Himself can view it all as "past" because He is not bounded by time and can look back in time from that future point and describe how He sees it... as He does in Ezek 28.

I think that the point of 'what CAN be written in a few sentences' is "the easy part".

 

[Sammy-San]

There are a great many primitive cultures engaged in worship of demons, ritual abuse, and no knowledge at all about greek gods like Zeus.

So satanic crimes would exist if people didn't know about the Bible?

 

[Sammy-San]

There are a great many primitive cultures engaged in worship of demons, ritual abuse, and no knowledge at all about greek gods like Zeus.

Is John 10:10 the reason people do those nasty things?

 

[BobRyan]

Is John 10:10 the reason people do those nasty things?

I think it is more likely that "all have sinned" and all have a depraved sinful nature - that is described in Romans 3. And Ephesians 2 gives us even more info on that.

Eph 2
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

So then that is more 2 Corinthians 4:4 style language.
4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[BobRyan]

So satanic crimes would exist if people didn't know about the Bible?

Indeed as is proven every day in nations that are largely illiterate when it comes to the Bible and primitive cultures that still exist today.

Take a look at this video -

Someone who very briefly came in contact with a satanist worship group before turning with all his heart to Christianity.

 

[Sammy-San]

Indeed as is proven every day in nations that are largely illiterate when it comes to the Bible and primitive cultures that still exist today.

Take a look at this video -

Someone who very briefly came in contact with a satanist worship group before turning with all his heart to Christianity.

Do you believe him? He says angels and demons look the same.

What about people like the temple of set and church of satan? They weren't inspired by reading the Bible and liking the antagonist?

 

[Sammy-San]

I think it is more likely that "all have sinned" and all have a depraved sinful nature - that is described in Romans 3. And Ephesians 2 gives us even more info on that.

Eph 2
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

So then that is more 2 Corinthians 4:4 style language.
4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

So all sins are depraved and all people are depraved?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So all sins are depraved and all people are depraved?

Yes - outside of Christ.

 

[Sammy-San]

Yes - outside of Christ.

So bibically there is no difference between evil, sinister, wicked, and depraved?

 

[BobRyan]

So bibically there is no difference between evil, sinister, wicked, and depraved?

True -- as we see in Romans 3.
Romans 3

9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,

“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

 

[Sammy-San]

True -- as we see in Romans 3.
Romans 3

9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,

“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

So there is no good person?

 

[miknik5]

So there is no good person?

You should know the answer to that question

CHRIST clearly told the young "rich" man that there is no one good

But GOD

 

[Sammy-San]

You should know the answer to that question

CHRIST clearly told the young "rich" man that there is no one good

But GOD

What of people saying, "that person isn't bad"?

 

[miknik5]

What of people saying, "that person isn't bad"?

They need to ask themselves the same question regarding THE SON of GOD

 

[Sammy-San]

True -- as we see in Romans 3.
Romans 3

9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,

“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Do you think people cant help committing lesser sins?

 

[BobRyan]

Do you think people cant help committing lesser sins?

1 John 2:1 says yes they can help it.
Romans 6:1-6 says -- yes they can help it.

 

[Sammy-San]

1 John 2:1 says yes they can help it.
Romans 6:1-6 says -- yes they can help it.

So it is impossible for a person to be sinless if they can help it?

I am not saying the blasphemy that anyone is without sin.

 

[BobRyan]

So it is impossible for a person to be sinless if they can help it?

I am not saying the blasphemy that anyone is without sin.

IF they can help it- as 1 John 3 and 1 John 2:1 and Romans 6 indicates then it is possible that they can stop sinning.

 

[Sammy-San]

Your reply makes no sense. Paul encouraged the Corinthians to speak the language the congregation could understand so they could be edified. On the day of Pentecost the miracle of the tongues was not that they spoke the language of the visitors from the diaspora, but that they heard the tongues in their own language.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Speaking in Tongues

I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
-1 Corinthians 14:5

Paul knew multiple languages, and he would love that all of us spake different languages. No where in this chapter is any instruction given to start blabbering jibberish.